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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:38
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Prog is fortunately not everything.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:29
One must also remember that the 80's saw the apparition of a second wave of RIO bands: Thinking Plague, 5UU's, Motor Totemist Guid... In France, some small bands perpetuated the traditions: Asia Minor, Eskaton, Minimum Vital...

One of my favorite band, Etron Fou Leloublan, released two albums in the 70's and the four other LPs in the 80's.

And if we are to talk about the Japanese bands: from Gerard to Ruins, including After Dinner, the eccentrics seemed to run in the streets!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2012 at 13:02
Surprised nobody has mentioned Eloy.  They released a couple of decent albums in the 80s, most notably Planets (1981), Time To Turn (1982) and Metromania (1984)  However, my personal favourite is:

Celelalte Cuvinte - Celelalte Cuvinte (1987)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 15:58
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Prog is fortunately not everything.



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Edited by Slartibartfast - March 03 2012 at 16:02
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 15:29
The 80's, as every decade, had good and bad things. Notable bands (prog and not prog) started to create awesome music during those years. So the 80's aren't as bad as some people think... I really love 80's Crimson, Nude, etc, etc.

I think people don't like the 80's because they know they had to wear the most excruciatingly awful clothes, and don't want to be remembered about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 15:20
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Prog is fortunately not everything.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:39
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Yeah quality list Slarti.  There was plenty of good music in the 80s.  Not all prog or prog related .  There was a lot of utter rubbish in the charts and some prog decided they wanted more girls at their gigs but hey .
 
Cocteaus and The Cure Siouxsie et al

As the big names in prog went commercial the best thing you could do is open your mind to music that didn't conform to the stereotypical prog.  And I'm fairly certain we weren't referring to it as prog back they anyway. LOL

I think art rock and fusion were applicable but I don't think myself or my friends bothered with labels in the first place.

If anyone cares, I'm going to highlight what I was listening to when it was new. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:31
Uhhhmm I love me some Cocteaus Cure Siouxsie. Going to pop on Juju right about now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:27
Yeah quality list Slarti.  There was plenty of good music in the 80s.  Not all prog or prog related .  There was a lot of utter rubbish in the charts and some prog decided they wanted more girls at their gigs but hey .
 
Cocteaus and The Cure Siouxsie et al
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:26

Aww man, they came to Atlanta on that tour, the only time I've seen them live in person.  Nostalgia is a beautiful thing. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:12
Good man Slarti!

Although Tangerine Dream's Optical Race isn't one I myself would've chosen as flag bearer for the good 80s releasesTongue But we can't all run around eating the same stuff. My sis hates cheese fx.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 05:26
Well, it marked the death of Gentle Giant and several of our revered bands catching commecialitis. 

If you think the '80's sucked, here's what you might have missed (hell even I missed some of these when they first came out.  I narrowed the list down a bit):
Bowie, David    Scary Monsters    1980 - Bowie made some of his best stuff when he worked with prog musicians.
Brand X    Do They Hurt?    1980 - the X does some really heavy stuff.
Budd, Harold / Brian Eno    Ambient 2/The Platform of Mirror    1980 - ambient doesn't get better than this.
Bush, Kate    Never for Ever    1980 - Kate ascending.
Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band    Doc at the Radar Station    1980 - no Trout Mask but that's a good thing.
Di Meola, Al    Spendido Hotel    1980 - Al's sprawling experiment.  Roller Jubilee actually got used in a Minute Rice commercial.
Di Meola, Al/John McLaughlin/Paco de Lucia    Friday Night In San Francisco    1980 - one of the great acoustic guitar trio albums.
Dixie Dregs    Dregs of the Earth    1980 - the Dregs were still going strong.
Eno, Brian-David Byrne    My Life in the Bush of Ghosts (Remaster)    1980 - can't say enough about this one.  An experimental album that worked really well.
Frith, Fred    Speechless    1980 - Fred's music is definitely a highlight of the '80's
Gabriel, Peter    III    1980 - Peter continues to evolve in mysterious ways.
Gentle Giant    Civilian    1980 - people seem to hate this one.  Major improvement over you know what.
Hackett, Steve    Defector (Remaster)    1980 - Steve would fizzle later but not here.
Hall, Daryl    Sacred Songs    1980 - Daryl Hall?  Prog?  You better believe it.
Hampton, Co. Bruce and The Late Bronze Age    Outside Looking Out    1980 - no point in talking about this guy and crew because I have yet to hear anyone say they've ever heard the stuff around here.  Your loss.
Hof, Jasper Van't    Live In Montreaux    1980 - great fusion from a guy that I was informed once was just a jazz guy.
Johnson, David Earle with Jan Hammer    Hip Address    1980 - DEJ is one of those buried treasures.
League of Gentlemen, The    Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx    1980 - I wouldn't have given a rat's ass about this band if Fripp weren't in it.
Metheny, Pat & Lyle Mays    As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls    1980 - not much in Metheny land of the '80's that I didn't like.

I'm going to stop now but...

Police, The    Zenyatta Mondatta    1980 -
Psychedelic Furs, The    Psychedelic Furs, The    1980
Rutherford, Mike    Smallcreep's Day    1980
Talking Heads    Remain In Light (Remaster)    1980
Tibbetts, Steve    Yr    1980
XTC    Black Sea    1980
Bruninghaus, Rainer    Freigeweht    1981
Budd, Harold    Serpent (In Quicksilver/Abandoned Cities, The    1981
Byrne, David    Complete Score from "The Catherine Wheel", The    1981
Hine, Rupert    Immunity    1981
King Crimson    Discipline    1981
Pastorius, Jaco    Word of Mouth    1981
Phillips, Anthony    Private Parts & Pieces III    1981
Police, The    Ghost In The Machine    1981
Psychedelic Furs, The    Talk Talk Talk    1981
Sky    Sky 2    1981
Sky    Sky 3    1981
Soft Machine    Land of Cockayne    1981
Synergy    Audion    1981
Tibbetts, Steve    Northern Song    1981
Zappa, Frank    You Are What You Is    1981
Belew, Adrian    Lone Rhino    1982
Bush, Kate    Dreaming, The    1982
Free Flight    Jazz/Classical Union, The    1982
Gabriel, Peter    Security    1982
Glass, Phillip    Glassworks    1982
Hampton, Co. Bruce and The Late Bronze Age    Isles of Langerhan    1982
Jackson, Joe    Night and Day (Deluxe Edition)    1982
King Crimson    Beat    1982
Manzanera, Phil    Primititve Guitars    1982
Metheny Group, Pat    Offramp    1982
Ponty, Jean-Luc    Mystical Adventures    1982
Psychedelic Furs, The    Forever Now    1982
Roxy Music    Avalon    1982
Shadowfax    Shadowfax    1982
Sky    Sky 4 Forthcoming    1982
Summers, Andy-Robert Fripp    I Advanced Masked    1982
Talking Heads    The Name of This Band is Talking Heads    1982
XTC    English Settlement (Remaster)    1982
Belew, Adrian    Twang Bar King    1983
Brunninghaus, Rainer    Continuum    1983
Eno, Brian    Apollo Atmospheres & Soundtracks    1983
Eno, Brian    More Music For Films    1983
Frith, Fred    Cheap At Half the Price    1983
Hine, Rupert    Wildest Wish To Fly    1983
Holdsworth, Allan    Road Games    1983
Isham, Mark    Vapor Drawings    1983
Jobson, Eddie/Zinc    The Green Album, The    1983
Marillion    Script For A Jester's Tear (Remaster)    1983
Moraz - Buford    Music For Piano and Drums    1983
Police, The    Synchronicity    1983
Tears for Fears    Hurting, The    1983
Vangelis    Antarctica - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack    1983
Anderson, Laurie    Mister Heartbreak    1984
Anderson, Laurie    United States Live (Disc Four)    1984
Anderson, Laurie    United States Live (Disc One)    1984
Anderson, Laurie    United States Live (Disc Three)    1984
Anderson, Laurie    United States Live (Disc Two)    1984
Budd, Harold/Brian Eno with Daniel Lanois    Pearl, The    1984
Corea, Chick    Children's Songs    1984
Eurythmics    1984 for the love of big brother    1984
Free Flight    Beyond the Clouds    1984
Hedges, Michael    Aerial Boundaries    1984
Jackson, Joe    Body and Soul    1984
King Crimson    Three of a Perfect Pair    1984
L. Subramanium/Stephane Grappelli    Conversations    1984
Marillion    Fugazi    1984
Metheny, Pat Group    First Circle    1984
Shadowfax    Dreams of Children, The    1984
Skeleton Crew    Learn To Talk/The Country of Blinds    1984
Summers, Andy-Robert Fripp    Bewitched    1984
Toto    Dune Sountrack    1984
Univers Zero    Uzed    1984
XTC    Big Express, The    1984
Brook, Michael with Brian Eno & Daniel Lanois    Hybrid    1985
Bush, Kate    Hounds of Love + 6 Bonus Tracks    1985
Holdsworth, Allan    i.o.u.    1985
Holdsworth, Allan    Metal Fatigue    1985
Jobson, Eddie    Theme of Secrets    1985
Johnson, Eric    Tones    1985
Marillion    Misplaced Childhood    1985
Public Image Ltd.    Compact Disc    1985
Reich, Steve    Desert Music, The    1985
Sting    Dream of the Blue Turtles, The    1985
Tears for Fears    Songs From The Big Chair    1985
Anderson, Laurie    Home of the Brave    1986
Budd, Harold    Lovely Thunder    1986
Budd, Harold, Simon Raymonde, Robin Guthrie, Elizabeth Fraser    Moon and the Melodies, The    1986
Carlos, Wendy    Beauty In the Beast    1986
Cluster & Brian Eno    Old Land    1986
David + David    Boomtown    1986
Eno, Brian    Ambient 4/On Land    1986
Gabriel, Peter    So    1986
Glass, Phillip    Songs from Liquid Days    1986
Jackson, Joe    Big World    1986
Simon, Paul    Graceland    1986
Tangerine Dream    Canyon Dreams    1986
Tangerine Dream    Underwater Sunlight    1986
Torn, David    Cloud About Mercury    1986
Wyatt, Robert    Old Rottenhat    1986
XTC    Skylarking    1986
Zappa, Frank    Jazz From Hell    1986
Bears,The    Bears,The    1987
Bears,The    Rise and Shine    1987
Budd, Harold    White Arcades, The    1987
Dukes of Stratosphear, The    Chips from the Chocolate Fireball    1987
Frech Frith Kaiser Thompson    Live, Love, Larf & Loaf    1987
Frith, Fred    Technology of Tears, The    1987
Hampton, Col. Bruce    Arkansas    1987
Isham, Mark/Arte Lande    We Begin    1987
New Percussion Group of Amsterdam    Go Between    1987
Summers, Andy    Mysterious Barricades    1987
Tangerine Dream    Tyger    1987
Van Tieghem, David    Safety In Numbers    1987
XTC    Mummer    1987
Eno, Brian-Et. Al.    Music for Films III    1988
Isham, Mark    Grand Parade, The    1988
Jackson, Joe    Blaze of Glory    1988
Kaiser, Henry    Those Who Know History Are Doomed To Repeat It    1988
Mitchell, Joni    Chalk Mark In a Rainstorm    1988
Pere Ubu    Cloudland    1988
Reich, Steve w/ Kronos Quartet & Pat Metheny    Different Trains & Electric Counterpoint    1988
Rypday, Terje    Singles Collection, The    1988
Tangerine Dream    Optical Race    1988
Zappa, Frank    Broadway the Hardway    1988
Anderson, Laurie    Strange Angels    1989
Badalamenti, Angelo    Soundtrack from Twin Peaks    1989
Belew, Adrian    Mr. Music Head    1989
Budd, Harold    Agua    1989
Bush, Kate    Sensual World, The    1989
Djam Karet    Reflections from the Firepool    1989
Finn, Tim    Tim Fin    1989
Frith, Fred    Allies    1989
Johnson, Eric    Ah Via Musicom    1989
McLachlan, Sarah    Touch    1989
Morse, Steve    High Tension Wires    1989
no-man    speak    1989
Ozric Tentacles    Pungent Effulgent    1989
Ponty, Jean Luc    Storytelling    1989
Primus    Frizzle Fry    1989
Tangerine Dream    Lily On the Beach    1989
XTC    Oranges & Lemons    1989

Trimmed the list down a little bit.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2012 at 01:00
Ok. i also agree with ivan, the 70's were over and something else had to rise.
Bands had to evolve themselves and it's perfectly fine, how they did it is another story.
Some people grew on 80's genesis and love them for this era, they are not aware that once there was 'supper's ready'!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 23:44
Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

, but it's uncompareable to the 70's.



And what is? 60s and 70s saw the inception and expansion of rock music as we know it, so it will hold a pride of place in the history of rock music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 23:28
When I came to this forum,. I believed that the 80's sucked, but the more Prog I listen, the less I agree with this.

The 80's was a transitional decade more than a bad one, people in the 80's didn't wanted to listen about giant plants invading England or a 20 minutes song with a 10 minutes keyboard solo, so the bands had to change their approach to survive.

Sadly the experiment failed and instead of gaining mainstream listeners for Prog, this bands lost Prog fans who didn't liked the change, but if it wasn't for this bands that insisted with a dying genre, today Prog would be history.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 23:12
Of course there were great albums made in the 80's, but it's uncompareable to the 70's.
It just wasn't the time for prog anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 21:30
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche)
 
Rush, Marillion, Kate Bush, Art Zoyd, Talk Talk, King Crimson, Fates Warning, Peter Gabriel all released albums that might be counted among their best in the 80s. 

Prog as such was not a force in the mainstream but perhaps that is also on account of rather inflexible notions of prog (without meaning to fuel the prog v/s progressive debate again)? 

Seriously, the 80s had Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Swans, Police.  The 80s was surely the most important and defining decade for metal.  On the jazzy side, Alan Holdsworth and Donald Fagen unleashed their solo careers.  I believe Metheny had a very fruitful 80s too, though I am not familiar with his 80s albums.

I wonder what it is that makes people focus on the Madonnas and Spandau Ballets of the 80s but not the Eagles and Olivia Newton Johns of the 70s or the Celine Dions of the 90s or the Shakiras of the noughties, etc.   But the notion of 80s being a wholesale abomination has taken root so firmly now that it seems to be unshakable.  Pity, because there were many wonderful artists who released great albums in that decade as well.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:50
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Yea - as a big Rush fan, Signals and Permanent Waves really invalidate this claim. 

Definitely - and Moving Pictures for Rush!. Its still a fact that the 80s was the toughest time for most prog bands. Some bowed out altogether and some just became commercial pop <cough>Genesis<cough>.

Then Marillion came along and kept the dream alive by reinventing prog with Neo.


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Yea - as a big Rush fan, Signals and Permanent Waves really invalidate this claim. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2012 at 18:38
After I attempted to list the top 1000 albums I found that the 80s were the most sparse as far as reviews and as far as masterpiece albums - there is no doubt the 80s had some brilliant albums but simply did not measure up to the other decades following the 70s - the golden era of prog.

Heres the list of 80s albums you must hear before you die... as far as ratings and notoriety are concerned:

Some of these are only listed due to one or two excellent songs but nevertheless heres the list which is way less than any of the albums from the 70s or 90s or beyond.



1980

471

Permanent Waves
Rush

 

472

Memento Z Banalnym Tryptykiem
SBB

473

Peter Gabriel (3 - "Melt")
Peter Gabriel

474

Dialog s vesmírem
Progres 2

475

Familjesprickor (Family Cracks) 
Zamla Mammaz Manna

476

Levitation 
Hawkwind

477

Defector
Steve Hackett

478

Commercial Album
The Residents

479

Colours
Eloy

480

Duke
Genesis

481

The Turn Of A Friendly Card
Alan Parsons Project

482 - live

Harmonium En Tournée
Harmonium

483 - live

Live Seventy Nine
Hawkwind

484 - live

Yesshows
Yes

1981

485

Moving Pictures
Rush

486

Eros
Dün

487

Alturas de Macchu Picchu
Los Jaivas

488

Mystical Adventures
Jean-Luc Ponty

489

Between Flesh and Divine 
Asia Minor

490

4 Visions
Eskaton

491

Discipline
King Crimson

492

Planets
Eloy

493

Computer World (Computerwelt)
Kraftwerk

494

Nude
Camel

495

This Heat

Deceit

496 – live

 

Retrospektďẁ I-II

Magma

497 – live

Exit... Stage Left
Rush

1982

498

Signals
Rush

499

Ambient 4 : On Land
Brian Eno

500

Peter Gabriel (4 - "Security" or "Mask")
Peter Gabriel

501

Time To Turn
Eloy

502

In Blau
Anyone's Daughter

503

Fact And Fiction 
Twelfth Night

504

Five Miles Out
Mike Oldfield

505

Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
Frank Zappa

506

The Broadsword And The Beast
Jethro Tull

507

Eye In The Sky
Alan Parsons Project

1983

508

Depois Do Fim
Bacamarte

509

Script For A Jester's Tear
Marillion

510

Tales From The Lush Attic
IQ

511

Amenophis
Amenophis

512

Heads Or Tales
Saga

513

Crises
Mike Oldfield

514 – live

Plays Live
Peter Gabriel

515 – live

Logos... Live At The Dominion - London
Tangerine Dream

1984

516

Uzed
Univers Zero

517

Marsbéli Krónikák (Martian Chronicles) 
Solaris

518

Fugazi
Marillion

519

Obras De Violeta Parra
Los Jaivas

520

Grace Under Pressure
Rush

521

Brilliant Trees 
David Sylvian

522

The Sentinel
Pallas

523 – live

Real to Reel
Marillion

1985

524

Misplaced Childhood
Marillion

525

Le Poison Qui Rend Fou
Present

526

Metal Fatigue
Allan Holdsworth

527

The Wake
IQ

528

Energetic Disassembly
Watchtower

529

Brother Where You Bound 
Supertramp

530

Power Windows
Rush

531

The Chronicle of the Black Sword
Hawkwind

532

The Spectre Within 
Fates Warning

1986

533

Awaken The Guardian
Fates Warning

534

Rage For Order 
Queensr˙che

535

Les Morts Vont Vite
Shub-Niggurath

536

Heatwave
Univers Zero

 

537

So
Peter Gabriel

538 - live

Pergamon - Live at the 'Palast der Republik' GDR
Tangerine Dream

539 – live

Does Humor Belong In Music?
Frank Zappa

540 – live

Live Chronicles
Hawkwind

1987

541

Clutching at Straws 
Marillion

542

Secrets of The Beehive 
David Sylvian

543

Killing Technology
Voivod

544

Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
Dead Can Dance

545

Hall of the Mountain King
Savatage

1988

546

A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window 
Cardiacs

547

Operation: Mindcrime
Queensr˙che

548

Dimension Hatross 
Voivod

549

Spirit Of Eden
Talk Talk

550

Transcendence
Crimson Glory

551

No Exit 
Fates Warning

552 – live

You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2
Frank Zappa

553 - live

The Thieving Magpie - La Gazza Ladra
Marillion

1989

554

Nothingface
Voivod

555

Perfect Symmetry 
Fates Warning

556

Passion
Peter Gabriel

557

Naked City
Naked City

558

Control and Resistance
Watchtower

559

Sacred Baboon
Yezda Urfa

560

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