pretension

hopelevre wrote: i did not do this to offend you and i repeat i have done nothing to offend anyone here...if you were offended im sorry, that doesnt make it my intention

I think someone needs a reality check here:

Hopelevre,you are the most offensive,discourteous person on this forum.

You are even more obnoxious than Karnevil9

or me!

hopelevre wrote: yes its ok to have values and beliefs....just dotn let them differ from reed lover's or yours, or yours, or yours, as that isnt allowed...i have done nothing to upset anyone on this site and if you are upset it is because you lack the maturity to tolerate those different from you, funny how im the bigot when you wont tolerate me

I beg to differ! Your very first post was an attack on me about a trivial thing. And you were wrong anyway.

hopelevre wrote: i have been around this site for awhile and a striking dynamic has become increasingly salient....it seems most of you actually have no clue about the fundamnetals behind music...most of you seem to think that because you listen to "prog", what yu all consider the end all be all of music, this means you actually have real musical knowledge...however as is proven here time and agin, when the time comes to make thoughtful statements regarding another's work, the ability is not there...it either sucks because it isnt (yes, genesis, elp) or its brilliant because it is....it engenders a great sense of irony to me that most of you afficianados who are so quik to label yourself musically superior and capable of reviewing musician's work are in fact completely musically illiterate and have absolutely no idea , when it comes to music(other than your personal preferences) about that which it is that yu speak

Yeah...I'm pretentious...what's it to ya?

The point you are trying to make in this thread is a perfectly valid one, in that people should not dismiss ANY music as sh!t, if they have no understanding of how it was composed etc..I would say most people around here dont do that. I certianly try to avoid it.

I guess we all express our views in different ways. Thats fair enough.

hopelevre wrote: that is all well and fine but the fact remains that this topic has been approached many times by other members, i said nothing that was intended to incite anything but thought and maybe a little objectivity...... those of you who cant get thru your initial reaction to the thread are most likely lost to it anyway...and if making friends around here means not speaking up about the effete politics rampant on the site ....well it seems ive made my choice doesnt it....im not here to make friends...im not here to alienate anyone....both will transpire....neither is a transgression ....if you dotn liek me o well...if you dotn like what i say o well....im used to it...but it isnt to get attention or to get a rise out of you...i say what i feel and believe and i wont be threatened into not saying it

Im not surprised......oops

Just read your original post. True, you dont say non musicians cant enjoy music. I stand corrected!

However, you may want to consider how others will respond when you post something. Making a meaningless and quite inflammatory observation like you have is going to provoke a negative response towards you. Dont you agree?

If thats what you want, thats fine, but dont expect to make may friends around here.

BTW, no, I'm not dense, and I dont think you are. I think you have an attitiude problem and are an attention seeker.