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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:40 |
Vegetableman wrote:
I like ELP... I wouldn't say I love them. The biggest turnoff is the utterly terrible lyrics. Someone get me a ladder??? Blow your head apart?? Not to mention the tendencies to release songs such as Bennie the Bouncer and Are You Ready, Eddy?
Hows about Floyd track with a dog howling.
come on.look in the mirror
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:37 |
kniprekcori
just hate this band and i don't know why
Too much sand in you ears..
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:13 |
Reed Lover wrote:
kniprekcor wrote:
i just hate this band and i don't know why |
Hey dude,do you like The Bangles?
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:06 |
I like ELP... I wouldn't say I love them. The biggest turnoff is the utterly terrible lyrics. Someone get me a ladder??? Blow your head apart?? Not to mention the tendencies to release songs such as Bennie the Bouncer and Are You Ready, Eddy?
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:05 |
kniprekcor wrote:
i just hate this band and i don't know why |
Hey dude,do you like The Bangles?
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kniprekcor
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 20:01 |
i just hate this band and i don't know why
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:40 |
I don't really like them because i dislike the sound. It seems so immature to me, so silly. And i don't know why Greg decided to change his style after ITCOTCK. I think his vocal performance on this one is one of the best i've heard so far, his voice really fits the slow, epic-like lyrics. Also I think that there's something missing if almost all of the sound is created by a keyboard. So there is a lack of beauty and good sound in their music IMO. I sometimes listen to them, but ranking them among the top5 prog bands is something i really cant understand.
ALL IMO.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:36 |
Hmm Magenta.....interesting line-up.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:29 |
There seems to be a theme in the thread about ELP fans on this site overwelming everyone with 'ELP propaganda'.I guess that's me, 3Fates and Karny then? Are three mad passionate fans that difficult to handle??
For the record I only regard one ELP album as a masterpeice and thats 'Brain Salad Surgery'.The rest have some great material but are far from perfect.I also hate the Emerson Lake and Powell album with a vengeance.
The fact is that I have grown up with them and their music.I love the bombast and the 'vulgarity' of the music.It's all upfront.I love music with ideas and different sounds which ELP's early stuff seems to have.However I admit that ELP never recorded a piece as great as Close To The Edge or Suppers Ready.However nowadays I listen to IQ and Magenta more than I listen to ELP (or Yes or Genesis for that matter).Modern prog had more melody,economy and control.There's nowt better than IQ's 'Further Away' in my book
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:26 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
It seems like somehow it arose that ELP was being pushed, or bashed too much, thus resulting in reataliation, and many ELP discussions arose. Some people are foolish enough to dislike a band, because too many people are talkign about them, or something silly like that. Although I would agree that too much talk of your favored band is annoying, I wouldn't go so far as to change my opinion according to it. I like ELP and if their fans start to annoy me, then I will still like ELP. I certainly wouldn't blame 3fates though, she promotes ELP whenever she can naturally, but that's understandable
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Yeah. I think I missed all of that when I didn't come to the board these past many months. I wouldn't let anyone make me dislike one of my favourite bands.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 19:14 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Fragile wrote:
Have to go to work.Working until 8 o'clock this evening.Perhaps this will allow me to speak to William Gilmour ex Enid and Dusk and Robert McGregor both superb pianists/keyboards players in their own right and both classically qualified via the Glasgow Academy of Music about this highly technical point from Certified; for once, you have my interest with your comments.
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I guess the Glasgow Academy outranks Nene College/University, but one man's opinion is still one man's opinion.
I'm glad to have your interest for once
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Couldn't get a hold of any of them Certified so this will have to wait.But as the man with the wooden leg said.'That's a matter of opinion'
I still regard their eponymous 1st album as a great prog album.The 2nd and 3rd were both very very good.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 18:57 |
Welcome Happy the Man to a great prog site.Rob the Plant your a big Zeppelin fan and have the gaul to allude to the great Jon Anderson's singing to a dying pig!!! The anvils and stirrups in your head must be smashed to a pulp listening to one of the over rated bands of our time
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 17:29 |
Certif1ed wrote:
One of the biggest problems I have is this "Virtuosic keyboards" thing - Keith may play as if he's a virtuoso, but I've heard real virtuosi - and Keith is not one. He's about Grade 6-7 - and I state that as someone who has done all the keyboard grade exams and the teaching diploma, then studied music with piano as my main instrument, but also played church and concert hall organs - so I'm familiar with technique.
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Wow... that was actually quite an enlightening post, Certif1ed. It had never occured to me that Keith wasn't amongst the best pianists ever and his improvisations weren't all that good. For some reason he was always automatically a piano god to me because a) He was better than me and b) He played in a band where piano/keyboard was so central. Hmmm... I guess he's not so untouchable after all :)
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 17:14 |
I don't hate ELP, I just don't like their music, their good parts are overclouded with excessive meaningless pondering, why play an entire fast excesive solo, when one note would suffice?
(that emmidiatly is the response to the Question raised one or two days ago, about Richard Wright from Pink Floyd, he only plays the one meaningfull note, instead of indulging himself in excessive soloing on every song)
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 16:40 |
I dismiss the presmise that you need to see a band live before you judge...we're talking about making music, not performing. I love seeing Gwar, but I don't own any of their albums. This is an album review site, after all, and I'm pretty sure that the majority of the reviews are written by folks who have never seen nor have any chance of ever seeing these bands. At least half of them are bands that no longer exist, and many of the ones that still do are no longer touring!
But as to the topic, I'm with the folks who don't hate ELP...but I go for long periods without wanting to listen to them, so you can't call me a fan either.
Only on a prog site would the main focus be Keith's technical skill. Honestly, I don't know how talented he really is at the keys...it's the songs as a whole that make the difference to me. And ELP has a lot of material that simply does nothing for me (and some stuff, like "Are you ready Eddy", that really irritates me). And I'm generally not much of a fan of keyboard-heavy music anyway...but occasionally the elements do come together to make a song I like. Strangely enough, it's usually the songs that prog folks (and even ELP fans) tend to dismiss...Lucky Man, From the Beginning, etc.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 16:28 |
ELP is a great band. I count them as a close cousine to Yes, so when I
feel like hearing some showy bombastic stuff, then ELP is on eof my
first choices. It seems like somehow it arose that ELP was being
pushed, or bashed too much, thus resulting in reataliation, and many
ELP discussions arose. Some people are foolish enough to dislike a
band, because too many people are talkign about them, or something
silly like that. Although I would agree that too much talk of your
favored band is annoying, I wouldn't go so far as to change my opinion
according to it. I like ELP and if their fans start to annoy me, then I
will still like ELP. I certainly wouldn't blame 3fates though, she
promotes ELP whenever she can naturally, but that's understandable, as
I would given to the chance to promote one of my favored bands when
fitting. I'll admit however that Karn might have went too far in the
begginning, but now it's all provoked.
I think as arrogant fans of such an "elite" genre of music, you all
criticize ever chance you get. Simple as that, nothing more than a sort
of "mentle masturbation."
PS- ELP is much better than Yes. Jon Anderson sounds like a dying pig
(I judge from experience), whereas Greg Lake sounds like an Angel.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 16:12 |
Certif1eD wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I can happily admit to being 100% in love with some of their recorded output - there is no doubt (in my mind, at least) that ELP produced some of the most spectacular moments of prog - take as an example, the live version of 'Tarkus' from 'Welcome back my friends....' - from Emerson's inspired beginning to the spectacular conclusion, pure class!
Karnevil9 wrote:
Hi Jim
Listerning to 'Welcome back my friends' & judging ELP as a live band through that is no good,I've never yet listerned to a band live on album which actually creates the true band live,these are manufactured albums for general salebeing what the record company whans the fan base to hear,You must must see the band live to realise what a fantastic trio they actually are...Even there Studo albums don't do the band justice...But it's all to late now boys...'BSS' was over 30 years ago..
It goes like this..You cannot actually say the band or good or bad if you did'nt actually see them play.
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How does any of this answer the question "why don't people like ELP?"
Look i'm following onto to the section quoted by myself above ok!
F**k the original question man were making progress arn't we?
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 15:11 |
I don't hate 'em and I don't like 'em. They leave me cold. I DO have their first 5 albums (so don't accuse me of not knowing their stuff). Their music just doesn't move me like Gentle Giant or King Crimson does.
All those ELP-related discussions on this board lately piss me off a bit. Just because most of 'em turn into fights. This one didn't so far. And this is the only statement I will make in relation to ELP. For now I'll leave them and their fans in peace.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 15:07 |
Jim, Ivan and Garion's posts sum up my own thoughts well.
I love a lot of ELP's work, and certianly do not "hate" them. While some on the forum will inevitibly not enjoy any of their msuic, I think most prog fans will find something in their output to enjoy. The trouble is, the have also put out some very poor material. They are not alone in this, most of our favourites have let us down at some stage.
It seems though that the ELP devotees on this site not only refuse to acknowledge this, but have difficulties when others express such opinions. No other band on this site appears to be subject to the same level of obsession. To me, this tends to stifle healthy debate relating to ELP, and causes people to sl*g them off more than they would otherwise do.
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 14:56 |
I like ELP a lot. I just hate the endless threads/polls/banality that frequents this place sometimes and the atitude you get if you say anything negative about them.
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