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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: March 01 2007 at 08:42 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MusicForSpeedin wrote:
and sometime soon one guy will leave a post exclaiming that THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED!
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Many times. |
Look, by posting this you are only encouraging us. If you've seen it discussed too many times for you, the best thing to do is just go away. |
You go away.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 08:33 |
Snow Dog wrote:
MusicForSpeedin wrote:
and sometime soon one guy will leave a post exclaiming that THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED!
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Many times. |
Look, by posting this you are only encouraging us. If you've seen it discussed too many times for you, the best thing to do is just go away.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 08:13 |
MusicForSpeedin wrote:
and sometime soon one guy will leave a post exclaiming that THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED!
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Many times. 
Edited by Snow Dog - March 01 2007 at 08:51
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 08:01 |
Speaking as a huge progressive music fan since 1978, of course they are. Even the last songs on Pablo Honey and the Bends are to my ears. I just fell for this band last year big time. But if I had heard Blow Out or Street Spirit (Fade Out), when they were fresh, I'd have been a longer time fan.
From what I've sampled interview-wise, at least Thom and probably others have disavowed the label. Someone once said about pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." I feel the same about this group with regards to progressivity. Take it from a guy who has over 1200 CD titles, most of which are progressive. I'll admit I'm a big tenter when it comes to what I consider prog, and I have something in my collection from just about every prog sub-genre (still need to sample some Zeuhl when I'm up for it.)
I have no problem with the proposition that they are on the fringe of prog, and there's a lot of other artists who should be here that fit that bill. Tori Amos and Nine Inch Nails come to mind (BTW both have been visited by Adrian Belew, if you weren't aware.)
Perhaps a more interesting point of debate, would be are they "Art Rock"? Seeing them in that sub-category on this site was what prompted me to check them out in the first place.
Say no more, nudge nudge wink wink. And of course, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 01 2007 at 08:42
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Chris H
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 07:16 |
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I'd hate to not write a huge long paragraph like everyone else, but of course Radiohead is prog!
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Beauty will save the world.
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Space Dimentia
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 07:12 |
Well Id say depending on the period it depends as to what genre or sub-genre they are in: Pablo Honey is purely alternative with abit of punk thrown in , The Bends is still alternative but in songs like 'Just' you can hear a progressive element coming through by the time we reach OK Computer the prog element is very much there to see just look at 'Paranoid Android' possibly one of the best prog-rock songs written in the last 17 years but by the time we reach Kid A and Insomniac we are going down a much more Art Rock path with lots of soundscape and musical noise, that is very similar to some of the Mars Volta's album filler noise (but better and less irritating), yet there is still a prog/progressive element to them whilst Hail to the Theif is returning to the Pablo Honey/ The Bends era it is still none the less intresting with nice ideas but a slightly less prog element.
So I woul say yes Radiohead are prog becuase the never stand still for a second so people can label them, they are always doing somthing differnt and you can hear that in their albums; you can actually hear the progresstion from one style to another and they seem to do it with so much ease! But if we were to ask what albums are what I would say The Bends was Prog-related, Ok Computer is Prog-Rock, Kid A and Insomiac are more Art Rock even maybe touching on Prog-Electronic but Hail to the Theif and Pablo Honey are not prog and are very much in the alternative/punk camp.
Edited by Space Dimentia - March 01 2007 at 07:15
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 03:33 |
^ you wrote that, didn't you? Well done! 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 02:59 |
Do green cows bleat on sunny days?
From Wikipedia:
The most striking tendency and identifying feature of any given piece of progressive rock is that it feels carefully composed, yet spontaneous and improvised at the same time. It is true to say that progressive rock lends itself as much to intellectual analysis as it does to emotional enjoyment. Hence, the most typical characteristics may be found by exploring the basic 5 elements of music as taught to most music undergraduates, but are not easily determined by casual listening alone.
...and don't forget - no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition... 
Edited by Certif1ed - March 01 2007 at 03:28
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 23:50 |
[head asplode] YES 
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TheProgMonster
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 23:30 |
enteredwinter wrote:
The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site
(things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic
complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of
music by having a strong and obvious impact on future bands and
artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have
clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than
simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be
inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like
Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog"
despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead
is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when
categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
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I agree with you 100%. Radiohead are creative and original in thier approach to music and they aren't seen as a prog band. While Dream Theater clones are never questioned for their lack originality.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:19 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I don't know why so many people have a hang up when it comes to radiohead, it fits well into electronic prog, for people to deny KidA is prog is to deny Brian Eno or Tangerine Dream as prog.
I think this album was and still is a revolution compared with a lot of the slop you get nowdays in popular music. |
It fits into electronic, but I don't think denying this is denying the true masters that inspired it. It may be better than popular music, but what isn't? I have also heard the term revolutionary, and groundbreaking before. There was nothing on this album that hadn't been done before.
Edited by bhikkhu - February 28 2007 at 22:23
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memowakeman
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:13 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:
memowakeman wrote:
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man... |
Wait... I just realized you removed your awesome Amnesiac avatar  |
Yep i did , but it may comeback someday 
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:04 |
memowakeman wrote:
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man... |
Wait... I just realized you removed your awesome Amnesiac avatar
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memowakeman
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:03 |
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man...
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Walker
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:31 |
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They may fit some peoples definition of Prog, maybe even PA's definition, but they don't fit my definition, which in end, is all that really matters to me. So therefore I vote no.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:11 |
enteredwinter wrote:
The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site (things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of music by having an strong and obvious impact on future bands and artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog" despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
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 I agree with you but in terms of number 1, a lot of other prog bands like Can or Brian Eno's Another Green Worlddo not always necessary fit into that section.
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enteredwinter
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:08 |
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The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site
(things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic
complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of
music by having a strong and obvious impact on future bands and
artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have
clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than
simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be
inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like
Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog"
despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead
is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when
categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
Edited by enteredwinter - February 28 2007 at 21:09
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Father Tiresias
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:08 |
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NO!
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:06 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
yeah KidA sounds like a cross between Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and King Crimson |
Wow, we must have heard a different album. I can see Eno, and Tangerine Dream influence, but I never heard any KC.
Frankly I think it is pretty dull ambient stuff. Prog influenced at best. |
I was thinking about the part with the chaotic trumpet section. I don't know why so many people have a hang up when it comes to radiohead, it fits well into electronic prog, for people to deny KidA is prog is to deny Brian Eno or Tangerine Dream as prog. I think this album was and still is a revolution compared with a lot of the slop you get nowdays in popular music.
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el böthy
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:05 |
Well... let´s see... prog is my favorite music...Ok Computer is one of my favorite albums...there for Radiohead is prog... yes, thats right, cause I say so!!! Got a problem with that?!?! Cause if that´s so... then I terribly sorry 
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