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Blacksword
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 09:00 |
Peter
You've heard my last word on the subject ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
Beware: Politics the red rag the Blacksword bull....
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:54 |
I also agree so no more outbursts from me towards Mr.Yusuf-I-Am-Only-A-Pacifist-When-It-Suits-Me-Islam.![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:43 |
"We come from all over, with differing sexual/political/religious orientations & beliefs, but we are at least united by a love of good music -- why risk dividing/destroying our cozy little community? "
I agree with my friend Peter Rideout on that.
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Peter
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:42 |
Blacksword wrote:
Political and theological discussions can be very rewarding but can also cause problems. I am registered on numerous news forums, and vent my wrath and disgust at the world there. Not here.
This is where I come to de-stress from politics, religion and war ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Hear hear! That was more like it, Blacksword! ![Clap](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:39 |
A word to the wise: As this -- believe it or not -- is a website dedicated to progressive rock (and the goddess Mariah Carey), there is perhaps no better way to anger long-time and new members, and cause them to leave, than to discuss (ie, argue and rant about) politics and/or religion, especially in an inflammatory fashion.
We come from all over, with differing sexual/political/religious orientations & beliefs, but we are at least united by a love of good music -- why risk dividing/destroying our cozy little community? ![Stern Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif)
I speak from experience.![Disapprove](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif)
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:38 |
So the evil Mr Islam was about to bring down America ![](smileys/smiley5.gif)
Its incredible how a pacifist ex-pop singer can cause a minor security alert because of his faith. But, 19 Saudis with forged ID's can take flying lessons in the US, without any checks being done, then hi-jack 4 planes and fly them into the WTC and the Pentagon withouut the CIA, NORAD or anyone else for that matter batting an eye lid.
Funny old world...
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 08:31 |
I think Salman Rushdie would disagree with labelling Mr.Islam a peace activist!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 07:06 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 04:15 |
Perhaps this should be in the 'Discussions not related to music'
Political and theological discussions can be very rewarding but can also cause problems. I am registered on numerous news forums, and vent my wrath and disgust at the world there. Not here.
This is where I come to de-stress from politics, religion and war ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
Marillion, pop?? Nah, I dont think so. This journalist dont know sh!t !!
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sigod
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 04:09 |
The topic about USA's right to protect itself is an interesting one but i DO love those mellotrons too. ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: September 23 2004 at 04:01 |
Mr.Moore is sometimes out of line and definitely stretches the truth now and then to suit his own needs but I for one am still a fan of his because he continues the long and glorious tradition of something coming out of left field and kicking the powers that be up the,er,posterior. . This tradition goes back thousands of years and it's the sign of a healthy society. Agree or disagree with him but without people like him,democracy would be in serious trouble. There are no Michael Mooore's in Iran.
As for Marillion being labelled a pop group,well to the mainstream media it's all pop music. They usually find individual distinctions a very difficult concept to handle.
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:55 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Hey, ya gotta love those mellotrons, eh? I mean, a keyboard that sounds like a string section -- how cool is that?
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Yeah...things got out of hand..next time you catch me talking politics feel free to stop me......
although...what 3f8ts said about M. Moore was amazing ......last time(promise)
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Peter
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:50 |
Hey, ya gotta love those mellotrons, eh? I mean, a keyboard that sounds like a string section -- how cool is that?
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threefates
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 22:14 |
Michael Moore is a propagandist freak... and guess what... I'm a democrat.
We've also had Michael Moore on American tv for longer than you guys evidently.. and all he ever did was give half truths and rearrange what truth their was to suit his own statement. If any of you think that Columbine had anything to do with Walmart selling bullets, then you deserve to be enthused by Michael Moore. I've watched him brow beat enough teenagers into tears because they worked as receptionists for tobacco companies... he's scum.
And you comparing someone who's made threatening anti-American remarks in the media to someone on an FBI list because of drugs... just shows how small minded you really are. John Lennon actually moved here and preferred to live here. Actually maybe its too bad the FBI didn't send him back to England....but I guess if someone really wanted to find him, it wouldn't have mattered where he lived...
Love your statement on healthcare, Gdub. Heck I worked for 14 years for the same company... and what they gave me after they laid off my entire dept. due to the 9/11 attacks... was my health insurance for life. And I'm not paying any taxes for it...
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 20:30 |
To Reed Lover
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 20:29 |
You know what Reed Lover! Let's just end this banter here. Let us both say that we agree to disagree..I like you and I would prefer to keep it that way
Greg
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 20:12 |
Clinton did nothing when he had the chance to. Mr Moore hasn't proven anything to most americans. His so called truth's are always stretched or half truths. How well does your National Care work? How much do you pay in taxes for it? Any american can go into a hospital and expect to get treated regardless if they can pay or not. I personally do not want national healthcare. I see no reason why I should pay for someone elses medical expenses. People need to grow up and take responsibilities for themselves.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 19:20 |
You being a Republican support the genocide of your own people, never mind the rest of the world.
Us Europeans have things like The National Health Service where everyone can get treatment regardless of ability to pay. Us Europeans have had Mr Moore appearing on mainstream TV for over 20 years, we take him seriously because he backs up most of what he says with cold,hard documented fact. We like that over here.
What has you being a Republican got to do with this argument?
Didnt the atrocity happen whilst Dubya was Pres?
Maybe it wouldnt have happened if Clinton was still in The White House!
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gdub411
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 19:11 |
Reed Lover wrote:
It's like Michael Moore never happened!
Tell me what The Twin Towers have got to do with Cat Stevens (Yousouf Islam)?
Still nibbling on them Freedom Fries?
Before you go on about insulting the Good Ole US of A or yourself for that matter, tell me, how many times did Gerry Adams visit the States or does that not count in the Land Of The Free?
Free speech, however unpalatable, should be defended by all nations. There are many,many normal, peace-loving Muslims out there who, whilst not applauding those horrific actions on that terrible day, cant understand why it is alright for their peoples to be attacked and culture vilified by Americans but when the boot is on the other foot it somehow becomes more tragic.
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You're treading on dangerous political ground there. I being a republican would like to ask you.."what do you propose us to do?" Talk to any american who flies..white,black ,etc,muslin and all can tell their stories of nightmarish security at the airport..Kennedy got delayed once! Now if we want to turn a plane back because we want to protect the lives of americans on an airplane I am all for it.
I for one would rather inconvenience a few people by acting paranoid than say "Oh what the heck are we doing? let these poor guys get on with it" and then watch the plane crash into another building. Hind sight is 20/20 and I prefer them to take no chances.
Also trust me when I say that it seems europeans take Mike Moore pretty seriously. I think he is nuts and un-american. His movie is treasonous in my eyes
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 22 2004 at 18:43 |
I was going to post about all the "Rock Stars" who have been on the FBI's list of dangers to the American Way Of Life.
But one name suffices. It is like a hammer blow to your argument and your stupid governments:
John Winston Lennon RIP
Nuff said dont you think?
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