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4 stars 1986: Roger Waters - When the Wind Blows (soundtrack) - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHcPTPk2B4oyVVKA-cNwccoKqQ6h7YGFZ

When the Wind Blows    An animated film about an elderly couple's ultimately doomed attempt to survive a nuclear holocaust. Not a happy families Disney movie then, but ideal subject matter for a gloomy Roger Waters soundtrack. Ouch

Folded Flags - the final cut from the album
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ No offence taken. I naturally overrate the albums I like and underrate the albums I dislike. After all, no one's ever going to criticise me for overrating King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant's albums. Right now, I'm busy listening to and overrating all five of Comedy of Errors' excellent albums, when it'd be a Shakespearean tragedy to give them any less than five stars.  Tongue

Progarchives, perchance you wonder at Paul? 
But wonder on till you feel nothing at all. Paul's ratings make truth plain. 
This Comedy of Errors' album is so beyond excellence that it make reality insane!
And King Crimson albums are not underrated...thus sayeth Paul.
Gentile Giant! Why dust thou bruise me with your medieval delivery? 
And Van der Graaf Generator's electricity schizophrenically from your hollow metal skull
I've listened to you and listened to you! But I hear nothing at all. 
 Berated,  what Paul says is underrated even though it's all for show
...thus sayeth Paul.  And away we doth go! 

...all's well that ends well...especially if your a sperm whale.
and Paul makes me smile...makes it all worth while.

I'm flattered! You're One of the Few who's ever written me a poem. Smile Heart

3 stars 1983: Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFEDE25F4A684239E
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

^SureWink

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I really liked your last post in the other RW thread, I'll even say, it's one of the very best there. 
and very bravely too, Cindy  Thumbs Up
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^ May I quote this poem of yours, Cindy, in the thread I mentioned? Smile








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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ No offence taken. I naturally overrate the albums I like and underrate the albums I dislike. After all, no one's ever going to criticise me for overrating King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant's albums. Right now, I'm busy listening to and overrating all five of Comedy of Errors' excellent albums, when it'd be a Shakespearean tragedy to give them any less than five stars.  Tongue

Progarchives, perchance you wonder at Paul? 
But wonder on till you feel nothing at all. Paul's ratings make truth plain. 
This Comedy of Errors' album is so beyond excellence that it make reality insane!
And King Crimson albums are not underrated...thus sayeth Paul.
Gentile Giant! Why dust thou bruise me with your medieval delivery? 
And Van der Graaf Generator's electricity schizophrenically from your hollow metal skull
I've listened to you and listened to you! But I hear nothing at all. 
 Berated,  what Paul says is underrated even though it's all for show
...thus sayeth Paul.  And away we doth go! 

...all's well that ends well...especially if your a sperm whale.
and Paul makes me smile...makes it all worth while.

Wow!  Thumbs Up  
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ No offence taken. I naturally overrate the albums I like and underrate the albums I dislike. After all, no one's ever going to criticise me for overrating King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant's albums. Right now, I'm busy listening to and overrating all five of Comedy of Errors' excellent albums, when it'd be a Shakespearean tragedy to give them any less than five stars.  Tongue

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ No offence taken. I naturally overrate the albums I like and underrate the albums I dislike. After all, no one's ever going to criticise me for overrating King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant's albums. Right now, I'm busy listening to and overrating all five of Comedy of Errors' excellent albums, when it'd be a Shakespearean tragedy to give them any less than five stars.  Tongue

Progarchives, perchance you wonder at Paul? 
But wonder on till you feel nothing at all. Paul's ratings make truth plain. 
This Comedy of Errors' album is so beyond excellence that it make reality insane!
And King Crimson albums are not underrated...thus sayeth Paul.
Gentile Giant! Why dust thou bruise me with your medieval delivery? 
And Van der Graaf Generator's electricity schizophrenically from your hollow metal skull
I've listened to you and listened to you! But I hear nothing at all. 
 Berated,  what Paul says is underrated even though it's all for show
...thus sayeth Paul.  And away we doth go! 

...all's well that ends well...especially if your a sperm whale.
and Paul makes me smile...makes it all worth while.



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^ No offence taken. I naturally overrate the albums I like and underrate the albums I dislike. After all, no one's ever going to criticise me for overrating King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant's albums. Right now, I'm busy listening to and overrating all five of Comedy of Errors' excellent albums, when it'd be a Shakespearean tragedy to give them any less than five stars.  Tongue

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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

As always Pauls ratings are at odds with everyone else and the real nature of things..Wink
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Waters and Geesin 2.83
Pros and Cons 3.07
Radio Kaos 2.97
Amused To Death 3.93
Ca IRA 3.33
Is This the LIfe 3.73
Stravinskys Soldiers Tale 3.09
Final Cut (listed as a Floyd lp) 3.19

There are several lps by Dylan ,Bowie, and Young I would play and own over anything solo by Waters....
now Pink Floyd early lps  would be a different matter. Could care less about his politics ..just talking the music here.




Perhaps.  However, Collage's 2022 album "Over And Out" was not in the Collaborator top 200 albums.  Yet it's #5 in PA ratings...with the most votes of any band in the PA's 2022 top ten.    Does that mean the Collaborator's top 2022 album list is at odds with everyone else and the real nature of things? Wink
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Nah, just the way of things.  I wholeheartedly agree with your Dylan, Bowie, and Young opinion. Smile 


Well..there are always exceptions and that must be one of them.....funny thing that several lps are rated  higher than that Collage lp yet they are  ranked lower on the 200 list,...how does that work? And I was referring more to Paul's habit of overating everything he likes. Collabs are more than one person and certainly know prog music better than Paul.....no offense intended Paul.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Nah, just the way of things.  

I understand. 
I really liked your last post in the other RW thread, I'll even say, it's one of the very best there. 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

As always Pauls ratings are at odds with everyone else and the real nature of things..Wink
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Waters and Geesin 2.83
Pros and Cons 3.07
Radio Kaos 2.97
Amused To Death 3.93
Ca IRA 3.33
Is This the LIfe 3.73
Stravinskys Soldiers Tale 3.09
Final Cut (listed as a Floyd lp) 3.19

There are several lps by Dylan ,Bowie, and Young I would play and own over anything solo by Waters....
now Pink Floyd early lps  would be a different matter. Could care less about his politics ..just talking the music here.




Perhaps.  However, Collage's 2022 album "Over And Out" was not in the Collaborator top 200 albums.  Yet it's #5 in PA ratings...with the most votes of any band in the PA's 2022 top ten.    Does that mean the Collaborator's top 2022 album list is at odds with everyone else and the real nature of things? Wink
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Nah, just the way of things.  I wholeheartedly agree with your Dylan, Bowie, and Young opinion. Smile 
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I'm curious about your moniker, Cindy.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

That was an actual woman? I thought it was just a drawing of a naked blonde chick. ;) 

Yes, Penthouse editor and former Page 3 girl Linzi Drew is one of England's best-known glamour models and she once had a relationship with adult-film actor Ben Dover (not his real name). Tongue
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That was an actual woman? I thought it was just a drawing of a naked blonde chick. ;) 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The only RW solo album I currently have is Pros and Cons. I'm rather lukewarm about it though. There's a few good moments but overall I find it rather boring. 

4 stars 1984: Roger Waters - The Pros & Cons of Hitch Hiking - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCSxYXG4-UGwf6xf5D0Ic0B

I still rate Roger's Pros & Cons album higher than Pink Floyd's first seven albums, although that maybe has something to do with Linzi Drew hitching a ride on the album cover. Embarrassed



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The only RW solo album I currently have is Pros and Cons. I'm rather lukewarm about it though. There's a few good moments but overall I find it rather boring. 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

@moshkito: Yes, good - and elaborate - points regarding the PF soundtracks. I agree with most (if not all) of what you say, especially also regarding The Wall. This one stands out, also because film and music were so much conceived together. And the music remains good even when it stands alone, although I also regret they didn't keep everything for the album.
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As for the PROS AND CONS album, it's not one I listen to much anymore. I thought that EC was a bad match for the album, and someone like Jeff Beck would have been considerably better and he showed it later in AMUSED TO DEATH. EC was too much into the "blues" at that time to be able to get out of them and help make the album better and much more within what RW, or even PF, had done before.

4 stars 1984: Roger Waters - The Pros & Cons of Hitch Hiking - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCSxYXG4-UGwf6xf5D0Ic0B
 
The Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking still remains my favourite Roger Waters studio album, and here's one of the reasons why...
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

@moshkito: Yes, good - and elaborate - points regarding the PF soundtracks. I agree with most (if not all) of what you say, especially also regarding The Wall. This one stands out, also because film and music were so much conceived together. And the music remains good even when it stands alone, although I also regret they didn't keep everything for the album.
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Hi,

In my book, TW is actually a continuation of something that PF had started in 1971 or so, when they were playing sound vignettes in between songs, and my thoughts always were that these were there so the synthesizers (for example) could be setup correctly for the next piece. It's hard to say, and both Roger and Dave will not say anything about it, because they will feel that their talent in composition, specially in TW is lessened. In my mind, their visuals CAME ALIVE with TW, and were kinda started with DSOTM and they were made more important in the next two albums and tours, what with a big pinky loose around London! And then in the stadiums, where fans (at Anaheim in LA) were fighting for pieces of the pig when it exploded, and Roger got mad (it's on the bootlegs loud and clear!).

But I agree, the conception of the film with the music, was exceptional and the story was nice, although incomplete ... how Vera Lynn is mentioned and then the stuff that shows in TFC appears, ought to explain that TW was cut up ... and some of the visuals that showed up in TFC on TV were in the original version of TW ... which was almost 20 minutes longer. I think the record company wanted to make sure all of it fit in 2 LP's and 4 sides ...  thus the cutting, since a triple album would still be missing what would be 20 minutes, and probably too much for the FM radio at the time in America.
 
It was a case, for me, of the visuals they used at the start, right after Syd, and how they ended up creating a story they could put together ... which became TW. But it had started with DSOTM and then WYWH and then finally ANIMALS.

As for the PROS AND CONS album, it's not one I listen to much anymore. I thought that EC was a bad match for the album, and someone like Jeff Beck would have been considerably better and he showed it later in AMUSED TO DEATH. EC was too much into the "blues" at that time to be able to get out of them and help make the album better and much more within what RW, or even PF, had done before.


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