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Poll Question: Who is the most overrated band of the 'Big Six'?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


All I can say is that ELP is one of the three bands who have made the largest number of albums I love really much. 

May you unveil the oracle?

Which are the three bands?

And which are the albums by EL&P you love?
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All I can say is that ELP is one of the three bands who have made the largest number of albums I love really much. 
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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^ You'd be right according to this poll.  Their sense of showmanship and business acumen has tainted their prog street cred.  

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These days I would say ELP is underrated in prog circles. Most prog fans seem to not think so highly of ELP it seems. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Among the Prog Archives Crowd, I'd say Genesis is the most overrated. 
Three Genesis albums sit in the PA top 15.  Whereas, ELP highest rated album ranked 85.  

I listen to Genesis and ELP equally.  I listen to the other four more.

I'd say, ELP is underrated.


Yes, 85 position.

Their "big four" operas, 

EL&P1, Tarkus, Trilogy, Brain Salad are good albums (similar quality) with some great track, but is there a masterpiece?

So, I voted for EL&P. 

As is well known to those who know me, I consider that group fundamental and seminal for the birth of symphonic rock, the historical importance of EL&P for the evolution of progressive rock is unquestionable (I should perhaps say the importance of Keith Emerson first with Nice and then with EL&P) - 

For example the three most popular Italian groups (Banco, Pfm, Orme) were inspired by Emerson, or, another example the transcription in rock guise of classical music compositions and the display of virtuosity on the piano with long original musical scores worthy of classical music are always due to Emerson, but.... 

but I cannot find any real masterpieces in their albums despite the fact that they have one of the best singers of the seventies, Greg Lake. 

From a compositional and melodic point of view, EL&P are really lacking, and even their long suites show this lackness: much elaboration, little inspiration. There are also often many modest short tracks on their albums. Emerson and Palmer's overflowing virtuosity sometimes (often) takes over from the composition, which suffers as a result.

Anyway, this is just my opinion. My evaluation is still the same: EL&P have great historical importance, and therefore in this matter they deserve to be considered "big", but if I judge the quality (beauty) of their albums today, this is much poorer than that of the major albums of the golden age of prog.


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Among the Prog Archives Crowd, I'd say Genesis is the most overrated. 
Three Genesis albums sit in the PA top 15.  Whereas, ELP highest rated album ranked 85.  

I listen to Genesis and ELP equally.  I listen to the other four more.

I'd say, ELP is underrated.

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The problem is not the overestimation of one of these bands. 

The problem is the absence of Van der Graaf Generator.

Yes, I'd love to have VdGG among The Big Ones.

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They were all great in their best periods. Thumbs Up
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The recognised Big Three of Hard Rock which is pretty much set in stone (or hard rock). Smile

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I've seen this 'tier" thing with some metalheads as well. 


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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I also do not understand people that classify their bands & albums in "tiers". Much worse than the whole "big 6". LOL

I think the whole grading, rating, classifying, evaluating and categorisation thing appeals to analytical minds..

and Prog as a genre appeals to analytically minded people... Big smile

No doubt about that. LOL I've seen this 'tier" thing with some metalheads as well. 

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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I also do not understand people that classify their bands & albums in "tiers". Much worse than the whole "big 6". LOL

I think the whole grading, rating, classifying, evaluating and categorisation thing appeals to analytical minds..

and Prog as a genre appeals to analytically minded people... Big smile
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

"Big" here refers to fame and popularity and i guess these six examples fit the criteria. It matters to some people I guess, I don't know... 
Let us aim to rise above such paltry considerations... Big smile 

"paltry"? I've learned a new word. LOL

I also do not understand people that classify their bands & albums in "tiers". Much worse than the whole "big 6". LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

"Big" here refers to fame and popularity and i guess these six examples fit the criteria. It matters to some people I guess, I don't know... 

Let us aim to rise above such paltry considerations... Big smile 
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

or maybe drop the whole "big 6" altogether LOL

Yes, I agree. The problem with the concept are the subtle gradations within the statures of the respective bands and differences depending on how 'largeness' is measured.

Six is such an arbitrary number as it is and as we have seen before in another thread, we would all have a slightly different 'Six'. Personally, I would probably drop Tull and include VDGG if I could only choose 6, but wouldn't want to be without Camel or Renaissance either...

Dropping Tull (because they are probably my least favourite) however, would rightly enrage others, so around we go again... Wacko

"Big" here refers to fame and popularity and i guess these six examples fit the criteria. It matters to some people I guess, I don't know... 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

or maybe drop the whole "big 6" altogether LOL

Yes, I agree. The problem with the concept are the subtle gradations within the statures of the respective bands and differences depending on how 'largeness' is measured.

Six is such an arbitrary number as it is and as we have seen before in another thread, we would all have a slightly different 'Six'. Personally, I would probably drop Tull and include VDGG if I could only choose 6, but wouldn't want to be without Camel or Renaissance either...

Dropping Tull (because they are probably my least favourite) however, would rightly enrage others, so around we go again... Wacko
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The problem is not the overestimation of one of these bands. 

The problem is the absence of Van der Graaf Generator.

I agree completely... but I'd have also included Camel and Renaissance.

Others would want to include Caravan and Gentle Giant, which would give us a 'Big Eleven'... Ermm

or maybe drop the whole "big 6" altogether LOL
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The problem is not the overestimation of one of these bands. 

The problem is the absence of Van der Graaf Generator.

I agree completely... but I'd have also included Camel and Renaissance.

Others would want to include Caravan and Gentle Giant, which would give us a 'Big Eleven'... Ermm
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Pink Floyd. Not that they are bad or anything but I just think compared to the others they are overrated. Think of it this way. They are probably the only prog band that most people outside of prog circles have even heard of (or at least the most number of people).

Kinda true, nevertheless most people outside prog circles only know the famous DSOTM and The Wall (also for the famous Another Brick in the Wall and Comfortably Numb). 

I should have said familiar with or more precisely familiar with their prog material. I think most music fans have at least heard of Yes, Genesis and Rush and probably heard at least one song.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Pink Floyd. Not that they are bad or anything but I just think compared to the others they are overrated. Think of it this way. They are probably the only prog band that most people outside of prog circles have even heard of (or at least the most number of people).

Kinda true, nevertheless most people outside prog circles only know the famous DSOTM and The Wall (also for the famous Another Brick in the Wall and Comfortably Numb). 
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