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Atavachron 
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There are teenagers who like Sinatra, the Beatles, AC/DC, and who dislike Bieber, Gaga, and Nicki Minaj-- evidently good is almost always still good.
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jude111
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 16:57 |
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The popular culture industry came in with capitalism. I suppose when there's a new mode of production, pop music could possibly wither away...? I don't see it happening soon though, even though the whole economic system seems pretty precarious these days...
Edited by jude111 - April 23 2013 at 16:58
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Stool Man
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:39 |
 Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
After about two and a half minutes, roughly. |
The shortness of popular songs was dictated by the duration of a 78rpm record, and then by the Jukebox companies (who wanted as many songs-per-hour being played on their machines, of course). They lost their grip on the music industry in 1965, and Bob Dylan immediately wrote "Like A Rolling Stone"
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:37 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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The T
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:29 |
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All pop music will stop the day that finally an asteroid delivers us the same fate as the dinosaurs.
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:25 |
Blacksword wrote:
Pop will eat itself!  |
Grebo!
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What?
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:14 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
After about two and a half minutes, roughly. |
 
@Original q: Probably never. Let's just hope that the boundaries of what prog is don't loosen to include 8 minute pop songs. 
Edited by HemispheresOfXanadu - April 23 2013 at 12:16
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:13 |
Pop will eat itself!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:44 |
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After about two and a half minutes, roughly.
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Ian
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 10:00 |
Stool Man wrote:
I have a book on the rise and fall of popular music, which starts with 18th Century garden parties and opines that the 60s/70s stuff that we all love was the downfall of popular music |
40 years on it tends to make one think that "the reports of Pop's death are greatly exaggerated". Whatever is popular at the time will be called Pop Music regardless of whether it bears any musicological relationship to any previous forms of Pop Music.
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CPicard
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 09:55 |
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I have the feeling that we're close to a rupture between a Pop Music for "old people" (just like Gerinski said, artists like Robbie Williams or Celine Dion) and a Pop Music for "young people" which tends to be, most of the times, derivative - and b*****dised - forms of Funk and Rap/Hip-Hop, what we call R'n'B, Dance, "Urban music" or "Groove".
I still think that Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake and their likes just perpetuate the styles popularised by Michael Jackson and Madonna in the 80's, borrowing some elements to Electro or Rap (or other sources: I'm not sure if the evolution of Country in the 90's haven't had its influence on these young artists, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear a Banghra tune from them!), to create the sound that we have to bear everywhere, everytime for 15 years...
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Stool Man
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 09:31 |
I have a book on the rise and fall of popular music, which starts with 18th Century garden parties and opines that the 60s/70s stuff that we all love was the downfall of popular music
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Icarium
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 09:28 |
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maybe dubstep or gloss, disney gloss or disney/dance-hip-hop crossover fusion gloss. Modern Diney channel gloss with MTV gloss.
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Gerinski
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 09:20 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Pop = POPular so I think that it will always be associated with whatever the media conglomerates tell the world is POPular. |
Charleston, Big Band music, Jazz Standards or classic Rock&Roll / Rockabilly were highly popular in their time are not part of what we today refer to with the term 'Pop music' (or 'Pop-Rock'). I agree though that probably it's up to the mass media to decide when they want to introduce a new term and make it the new fashion.
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rushfan4
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 09:07 |
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Pop = POPular so I think that it will always be associated with whatever the media conglomerates tell the world is POPular.
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Gerinski
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 08:57 |
More precisely without title length limitations: When will the 'contemporary music for the young' stop being called 'Pop music' and some new name will be coined and a new era started?
What we today refer to as 'Pop music' started (I would say) with the British Beat and the modern (60's) Folk (Joan Baez, Dylan, Donovan, Neil Diamond, John Denver etc). Some might argue that classic American Rock&Roll was already 'Pop' but in my view it was just Rock&Roll and I normally do not associate it with the term 'Pop music'.
We are in the 2010's and 'modern music for the young' has passed through many seemingly disparate styles, Glam, Hard-Rock, Heavy Metal, Punk, New Wave, Synth Pop, Techno, Trance, Rap, Hip-Hop... and (in my view at least) most people still include all of these in their definition of 'Pop music' (or perhaps not?).
Of course the standard highly-commercial, easy and melodic Pop is still well alive (stuff like Celine Dion, Robbie Williams etc) but for the more different and newcomer genres such as the ones mentioned above, what do you think it will take to drop the term Pop and start a new era with some new generic name for the 'music of the young'?
Or will the term 'Pop music' remain forever associated with 'contemporary music for the young' regardless of how different that music will have become from its original ancestors?
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