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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: February 02 2012 at 18:09 |
 Dean wrote:
^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting? |
Factory farming vs poaching vs hunting for food vs hunting just for sport. The first needs to be reformed. I don't like number two or four. No problem with number three.
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Dean
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:51 |
^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting?
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Finnforest
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:35 |
Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad
Edited by Finnforest - February 02 2012 at 17:35
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Dean
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:31 |
How did we get to this point in only three pages?
It's a simple poll on poaching, not a general poll on hunting, or culling, or killing animals for sport, or the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet or about comitting murder.
Once again Christoffer's attempts to get straight forward opinions on a simple straight forward question gets reduced to a pro vs anti hunting argument.
Not all hunting is poaching - and by some weird twist of semantics, not all poaching is hunting.
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thehallway
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 15:11 |
CPicard wrote:
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And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous. |
Don't criticize until you try it.
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Does that apply to murdering humans too??
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CPicard
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 14:44 |
thehallway wrote:
And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous. |
Don't criticize until you try it.
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thehallway
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 14:10 |
The food argument won't cut it anymore. Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine. In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES. So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.
And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.
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frippism
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 11:14 |
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I mean hunting for sport and poaching is morally probably rather questionable, but I can't really criticize it considering I'm no vegetarian and pay money that helps expand the massive food industry- probably one of the most disgusting and immoral monsters in the world. So yeah it's bad, but in a way we are all immoral in this.
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There be dragons
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CPicard
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Posted: February 02 2012 at 03:09 |
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I don't think corrida is wrong.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:41 |
Dean wrote:
We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue. |
It is the autobleeper after all. Why not be creative? Hoo hoo, ding a ling, naughty bits, pee pee, enormous tracks of land... Going number one, going number two, going number three... The double backed beast... Lest we forget - rock 'n' roll. 
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:40 |
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^ There's even an Asian movement, albeit small for now, against shark fin soup-- a very good development.
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:00 |
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I'm fine with hunting for food and population culling in certain circumstances. I've never understood sport hunting without the food component, and wouldn't participate. As far as illegal poaching of critically endangered animals, very bad. In fact people who kill elephants just to cut off their ivory and leave them rot, I'd love to see them hang.
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:23 |
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Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is. Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.
I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder; worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time. |
I admit that sport hunting creeps me out, but I guarantee you contribute more suffering to the world eating hamburger or chicken than the hunter does killing a deer. Your dramatic distinction between those two because of the intent is bizarre, the act is the same.
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Yes I think intent is very important.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:20 |
Dean wrote:
We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue. |
And a b*****d is a child born out of wedlock...
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:17 |
Poaching is indefensible, hunting can be acceptable especially where culling is required for the environments sake and overgrazing. As well as indigenous folk working their land. But as one thread comment said....buying from your local Tesco or Costco is hunting in a roundabout way
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Dean
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:13 |
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We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:05 |
Atavachron wrote:
Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is. Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.
I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder; worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time. |
I admit that sport hunting creeps me out, but I guarantee you contribute more suffering to the world eating hamburger or chicken than the hunter does killing a deer. Your dramatic distinction between those two because of the intent is bizarre, the act is the same. And we seriously don't censor pussy? But b*****d and w**k are too hardcore....
Edited by Henry Plainview - February 01 2012 at 19:06
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 18:38 |
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Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is. Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.
I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder; worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time.
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 17:58 |
While in the grand scheme of things, an animal going extinct is no big deal, I do think it's terrible that people want to selfishly kill and exploit beautiful creatures like the giant panda and tiger for money. Can I morally condemn the? Hardly, but it makes me sad to see people want to remove beauty and diversity from the natural world.
But really, it's the tiger, rhinoceros, elephant, and so on I feel sorry for. Those giant pandas basically have it coming to them. The stupid f**kers won't even have sex. How does this happen? Gawd...
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CPicard
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Posted: February 01 2012 at 16:31 |
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Is it right to poach/hunt Ted Nugget? His name sounds delicious.
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