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Topic: Poaching - do you think it is ok/fine
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Poaching - do you think it is ok/fine
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 10:32
what are your opinions about poaching animals like Pandas, Tigers, Crocodiles, Rhinos, Elephants, Snakes or any other animals,

or trophy hunging, do you think it is okey that rich people spend alot of money to shoot down the big 5 of African wildlife, or is it nothing you would suport casue it is imoral, do you find bad treatment towards animals imoral or is moral only between humans,




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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 10:41
Should I vote based on the question or the thread title? I think it's bad and not okay, k


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 10:44
You know the one thing I respect Ted Nugent for is that he hunts for food and doesn't slaughter for trophies as far as I know.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:12
I see nothing immoral about it. If you hunt for trophy, yet just waste the food, I find that a bit questionable. I see nothing wrong with killing an animal for sport though. 

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:14
Even endangered animals?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:16
Of course it is bad.  I loathe anyone who voted "no"

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:19
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Even endangered animals?

Trophy hunters seek out endangered animals because that is what makes them a trophy.


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:51
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Of course it is bad.  I loathe anyone who voted "no"


I see  a lot wrong with it. Hunt them with cameras. Preserve life when possible. 


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 12:45
We've had this conversation before.
 
Do not equate poaching with hunting. Poaching is taking something from the wild that doesn't belong to you, often for profit but not necessarily - it can be just for food, and the term can apply to plants as well as animals.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 12:48
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Of course it is bad.  I loathe anyone who voted "no"


So a native in Namibia spears a oryx and that's bad to you?


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 12:50
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Even endangered animals?


It depends on the circumstances. It could be immoral.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 12:53
Hunting for the sake of it (or sport if you want to call it that) I am against.
If you honestly hunt for food (no idea but I'll say a very small sliver of the US and even most "industrialized" countries) then fine. People need to eat to survive.
OR even if you hunt just for sh*ts but use the food...well I don't like it but at least it's not being wasted.

Pure sport? No, sorry. I don't get it and find it deplorable. A "man overcoming nature" thing I guess, or showing how big you are. What's the appeal? You can try to slice it a nicer way but it's killing life, for absolutely no reason.

And if you're gunna do it, at least go hunting "for real". Not like the stuff you see at Cabellas or Bass Pro Shop...those sniper perches  you can set up in a tree, sit back, drink some beer with your buds and just wait for an animal to run by. That doesn't even have the "thrill of the hunt" just sitting back killing things!


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 12:56
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Of course it is bad.  I loathe anyone who voted "no"


So a native in Namibia spears a oryx and that's bad to you?


How many Namibians hunt oryxes? I'm not familiar with the food market in Namibia.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:10
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Of course it is bad.  I loathe anyone who voted "no"


So a native in Namibia spears a oryx and that's bad to you?


How many Namibians hunt oryxes? I'm not familiar with the food market in Namibia.


The country is home to many tribes which have not entered really any semblance of modern society. They hunt to survive despite the animal being endangered.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:12
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


OR even if you hunt just for sh*ts but use the food...well I don't like it but at least it's not being wasted.




What's the difference between buying a ground meat and steak for a month at a supermarket or hunting for sport and freezing the venison to eat over the next month?


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:21
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


OR even if you hunt just for sh*ts but use the food...well I don't like it but at least it's not being wasted.




What's the difference between buying a ground meat and steak for a month at a supermarket or hunting for sport and freezing the venison to eat over the next month?


Not sure I follow. I'm fine with it if used for food. If you kill a deer and store it for a month that's fine.
Hunting for sport is just that. If you use the meat, either for yourself or I guess for a supermarket then it's at least going for someone.

Sorry if I misunderstand but yeah, I just don't agree with hunting just for the sake of it.
Not that it could/should be made illegal, I just think it's wrong personally.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:21
Healthier than frying.  But for larger animals I would oven roast (Slowly).
 
 


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:25
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


OR even if you hunt just for sh*ts but use the food...well I don't like it but at least it's not being wasted.




What's the difference between buying a ground meat and steak for a month at a supermarket or hunting for sport and freezing the venison to eat over the next month?


Not sure I follow. I'm fine with it if used for food. If you kill a deer and store it for a month that's fine.
Hunting for sport is just that. If you use the meat, either for yourself or I guess for a supermarket then it's at least going for someone.

Sorry if I misunderstand but yeah, I just don't agree with hunting just for the sake of it.
Not that it could/should be made illegal, I just think it's wrong personally.


I'm just saying in your quoted passage you say that you don't like it. I'm saying it really makes no difference if you don't waste the food no matter the reason that you actually killed the animal.

I agree that I find wasting the animal to be distasteful. I feel the name way about clothes with holes in them, day old milk, food that falls on the floor, etc.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 13:28
Well of course.




Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 14:41
I usually only hunt and poach mosquitos.
 
 
Hunting sloths can also be much fun.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 14:50
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Healthier than frying.  But for larger animals I would oven roast (Slowly).
 
 

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 15:07
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Healthier than frying.  But for larger animals I would oven roast (Slowly).
 
 

Churrascaria!


 
 
Spit Roast?
 
 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 15:10
The parade of meat not laid down in sheets but...

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 16:27
Is it right to poach/hunt PETA activists?


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 16:28
Yes but the meat is too lean and tasteless. 

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 16:31
Is it right to poach/hunt Ted Nugget? His name sounds delicious.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 17:58
While in the grand scheme of things, an animal going extinct is no big deal, I do think it's terrible that people want to selfishly kill and exploit beautiful creatures like the giant panda and tiger for money. Can I morally condemn the? Hardly, but it makes me sad to see people want to remove beauty and diversity from the natural world.

But really, it's the tiger, rhinoceros, elephant, and so on I feel sorry for. Those giant pandas basically have it coming to them. The stupid f**kers won't even have sex. How does this happen? Gawd...


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 18:38
Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is.   Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.  

I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder;  worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time.

 


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:05
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is.   Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.  

I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder;  worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time.
I admit that sport hunting creeps me out, but I guarantee you contribute more suffering to the world eating hamburger or chicken than the hunter does killing a deer. Your dramatic distinction between those two because of the intent is bizarre, the act is the same.  And we seriously don't censor pussy? But b*****d and w**k are too hardcore....  

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:13
We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue.

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:17
Poaching is indefensible, hunting can be acceptable especially where culling is required for the environments sake and overgrazing. As well as indigenous folk working their land.
 
But as one thread comment said....buying from your local Tesco or Costco is hunting in a roundabout way


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:20
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue.
And a b*****d is a child born out of wedlock...

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:23
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Luckily we may be moving into a time when sport hunting will start to be seen as the disgusting and cowardly activity it is.   Hunting for meat is different, though Sara Palin's aerial sniping is about as bad as it gets, the little pussy.  

I love meat so I'm not against killing animals, but non-consumptive hunting is next to murder;  worse, it takes advantage of animals' vulnerabilities, and those convicted of illegal or unnecessary slaughter should be imprisoned for a very long time.
I admit that sport hunting creeps me out, but I guarantee you contribute more suffering to the world eating hamburger or chicken than the hunter does killing a deer. Your dramatic distinction between those two because of the intent is bizarre, the act is the same. 
Yes I think intent is very important.



Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:00
I'm fine with hunting for food and population culling in certain circumstances.  I've never understood sport hunting without the food component, and wouldn't participate.  As far as illegal poaching of critically endangered animals, very bad.  In fact people who kill elephants just to cut off their ivory and leave them rot, I'd love to see them hang.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:40
 ^ There's even an Asian movement, albeit small for now, against shark fin soup--  a very good development.



Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 21:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

We can censor pussy if you want, then dick, willy, peter, john thomas, cock, nuts, balls, plums, stones, tits (including the blue tit, long-tailed tit, coal tit, willow tit, bearded tit, marsh tit and siberian tit), then booby (blue-footed and trap), jugs, mellons, buns, butts... I could continue.

It is the autobleeper after all.  Why not be creative?  Hoo hoo, ding a ling, naughty bits, pee pee, enormous tracks of land...

Going number one, going number two, going number three...

The double backed beast...

Lest we forget - rock 'n' roll. Wink


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 03:09
I don't think corrida is wrong.


Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 11:14
I mean hunting for sport and poaching is morally probably rather questionable, but I can't really criticize it considering I'm no vegetarian and pay money that helps expand the massive food industry- probably one of the most disgusting and immoral monsters in the world. So yeah it's bad, but in a way we are all immoral in this.

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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 14:10

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 14:44
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



Don't criticize until you try it.


Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 15:11
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



Don't criticize until you try it.

Does that apply to murdering humans too??



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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:31
How did we get to this point in only three pages?
 
It's a simple poll on poaching, not a general poll on hunting, or culling, or killing animals for sport, or the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet or about comitting murder.
 
Once again Christoffer's attempts to get straight forward opinions on a simple straight forward question gets reduced to a pro vs anti hunting argument.
 
Not all hunting is poaching - and by some weird twist of semantics, not all poaching is hunting.
 


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:35
Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Embarrassed

Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 17:51
^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
 
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
 
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting?


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 18:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
 
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
 
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting?

Factory farming vs poaching vs hunting for food vs hunting just for sport.  The first needs to be reformed.  I don't like number two or four.  No problem with number three.


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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 04:02
I always will remember,
’Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 07:01
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Embarrassed

Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad

Why would you want to hunt your friend? Tongue


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 07:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Embarrassed

Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad

Why would you want to hunt your friend? Tongue
To put me out of my misery. Unhappy

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 07:39
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Embarrassed

Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad

Why would you want to hunt your friend? Tongue
maybe said fiend is a mean badass who likes to be hunted i dunno


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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 10:35
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
 
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
 
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting?

My fault.

But does it matter?

Conversations naturally alter their course..... especially when one topic has become redundant.



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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 10:58
Hunting these beasts are not for fun nor for food, but still necessary (although we seem to have lost already):

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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 11:10

^ Why is it necessary?

So they eat all the other animals.......   well that's what we humans do. Survival of the fittest. We farm...... pythons can't farm, so in their case, hunting is justified. There is nothing unnatural about it whatsoever.

Ecosystems sort themselves out. If the snakes eat too much, they will then see a lack of food, and die accordingly, enabling their prey to breed properly again, and so on. Yes, they belong in India, but the Florida environment obviously suits them. I wish them all the best.



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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 11:12
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ You are correct Jim, I was re-reading Christoffer's previous thread on the same topic at the same time and read the wrong OP.
 
Still, the same applies - it two different topics, two different questions so two answers are possible. It is okay to be against poaching and pro-hunting.
 
And I'll stand by my comment - how do we get to the immorality of factory farming and the omnivorous diet and about comitting murder from a poll on poaching and hunting?

My fault.

But does it matter?

Conversations naturally alter their course..... especially when one topic has become redundant.

Not your fault - I know this is how this particular topic develops because this is always how it develops, and alas, always this quickly. I don't believe the topic had become redundant: For once I would have liked it to stay on the topic of "poaching" for just a short while so we could find out, for example, whether "hunters" see protected species as "fair game" and gain their views on restrictions on hunting, either as closed seasons during breading or in total due to rarity or threat of extinction or because the animals are the property of someone else or because the land they inhabit is owned by someone else.
 
 


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:04
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:13
To put it bluntly, I am repulsed at anyone who hunts for sport.

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:14
By the way, the thread's title and the question in he poll are contradicting each other...

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:17
I've poached salmon before, but generally I'm against the practice.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:19
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've poached salmon before, but generally I'm against the practice.
I assume that's you in your avatar when you were poaching salmon...

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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:32
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

^ Why is it necessary?

So they eat all the other animals.......   well that's what we humans do. Survival of the fittest. We farm...... pythons can't farm, so in their case, hunting is justified. There is nothing unnatural about it whatsoever.

Ecosystems sort themselves out. If the snakes eat too much, they will then see a lack of food, and die accordingly, enabling their prey to breed properly again, and so on. Yes, they belong in India, but the Florida environment obviously suits them. I wish them all the best.



The problem is that humans have introduced a new species that doesn’t belong in this ecosystem. It has no natural enemies, and it kills all the other species. Still you have a point, and I guess we can’t teach the pythons to farm either … and the fight against them seems futile. The Everglades will never be the same again.


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:32
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually Dean, read the interior question of the OP again.....it is about hunting my friend.  Embarrassed

Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad

Why would you want to hunt your friend? Tongue
maybe said fiend is a mean badass who likes to be hunted i dunno
 
You have to be vice-president to hunt your friend.


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 12:34
voted wrong - one more against Poaching - one less think its ok 

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 13:08
Poached Salmon
 
 
Poached Eggs.
 
 
mmm


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 13:13
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've poached salmon before, but generally I'm against the practice.
I assume that's you in your avatar when you were poaching salmon...


What you can't see is that before I poach it, I marinade it in my red manderwear.  Some like codpeices, I prefer pieces of poached salmon.


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 17:47
Thanks for the laughs, last several posts.  LOL

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 03 2012 at 21:34

Poaching and hunting are two different things. Hunting requires a license and is overseen in most countries by an agency (like the state's Department of Natural Resources) to assure limits are maintained. In civilized countries, animals on an endangered list are not hunted (the whole point of an "endangered list"). As far as "trophy hunting", I know plenty of hunters with a trophy on the wall and meat from the hunt in the freezer. Poaching is an illegal activity with no regard to endangered animals (or people who get in the way, for that matter).

So the original question is flawed.

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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 13:58
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.



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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 14:06
to quote Spiderman, "with great power comes great responibilaty" 

i did not meen to conuse in the introducution question but while i made it lots of topics came to mind not only poaching for endagerd animals but also trophy hunting, rich people invest in trips to Africa or India or other places to shoot animals just for own satisfactiory reasons  that i think is wrong


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 15:09
What about hunting cooks who poach foods?

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 16:58
 ^ I think that's a movie


Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 17:18
I won't vote because it depends on the type of animal and why it's being killed. If not endangered and for the purpose of food, sure. But murdering elephants and dolphins or whatever is totally not okay.

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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 17:45
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

If not endangered and for the purpose of food, sure.

I agree, but I don't like turning living animals into dead ones personally.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 18:43
How about we take people who like to kill endangered species for sport, kill them, cook them in a liquid bath, and feed them to wild animals?

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 05 2012 at 18:37
Oh, let's eat each other, and to hell with this poll! 


Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: February 08 2012 at 20:53
Couldn't answer the poll question because of the way it was presented so I'll just say poaching bad, hunting good when done responsibly. A guy from Cuba told me that over there when a poacher is caught, two guys on horseback chased him through the cane field beating him with the flat side of a sword. Sounds fitting.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 08 2012 at 21:40
It's not a cooking method I practice or am fond of.  When it comes to the other meaning, of course not.  When it comes to hunting for food, no problem.

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 04:28
Originally posted by caretaker caretaker wrote:

Couldn't answer the poll question because of the way it was presented so I'll just say poaching bad, hunting good when done responsibly. A guy from Cuba told me that over there when a poacher is caught, two guys on horseback chased him through the cane field beating him with the flat side of a sword. Sounds fitting.


That sounds like a scene from a telenovela set in the 19th century, but I could be wrong.


Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 07:31
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ I think that's a movie


This one comes close:
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 09:15
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.



Is it necessary to eat cows? What if its more human and ecofriendly to only raise chickens? You're not really answering my question, you're just embedding your value system into it.

In PA, I'm sure the ecosystem benefits more from hunting the hugely overpopulated deer than from going through the costly process of raising a cow.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 12:47
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.



Is it necessary to eat cows? What if its more human and ecofriendly to only raise chickens? You're not really answering my question, you're just embedding your value system into it.

In PA, I'm sure the ecosystem benefits more from hunting the hugely overpopulated deer than from going through the costly process of raising a cow.


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 14:35
The problem with the wolf is nobody seems to want them around. Not many animals are exterminated more than the wolf.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 14:57
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.


That was where I was going next.

Yeah the problem with the wolf is that mothers get upset when one wonders into the yard and mauls her child.


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 15:51
I am ok with the hunting of humans. After all, talk about over population!
One day when I own an island I'll have a reef to crash ships and hunt the people stranded, "The Most Dangerous Game" style!

Now that'd be a thrill


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 03:38
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.


That was where I was going next.

Yeah the problem with the wolf is that mothers get upset when one wonders into the yard and mauls her child.


Yeah, but, well, you know the problems with mothers (and fathers! No one ever thinks about fathers mourning the loss of said children) : they always want to raise their offspring far from the Town, its pollution and its malicious influence, and they don't stop asking for living in the Big Nature, close to the nearest forest... AND THEN THEY MEET THE BEAR.

Anyway, in France and in Italy, the sole victims of the wolves are sheeps, not humans.
I guess that either the sheep are easier to hunt, or their meat has a better taste than human flesh.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 16:24
So replace mother with pissed off farmer. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 16:57
The current estimate is that there are currently 20 wolves in the whole of France.
 
I have no idea how many sheep French farmers own - lets make a conservative estimate and say lots. Lots more than 20.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 17:04
Maybe we should eat carnivore predators? Tiger penis, anyone?


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 17:15
There are good reasons why we don't eat carnivores, one of which is the high concentrations of Vitiamin A, which is toxic in high doses.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 18:58


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 10 2012 at 22:11
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There are good reasons why we don't eat carnivores, one of which is the high concentrations of Vitiamin A, which is toxic in high doses.

So just don't eat the liver of the carnivore


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 05:24
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There are good reasons why we don't eat carnivores, one of which is the high concentrations of Vitiamin A, which is toxic in high doses.

So just don't eat the liver of the carnivore
...another reason is the high levels of amines in their flesh which makes them taste unpleasant and the lack of fat which makes them tough and chewy. Of course you can get use to that. However, we do eat some carnivores (mainly fish, some reptiles and dogs and you can buy bear and other "exotic" meats), but even wild carnivores refrain from eating other carnivores even though they will kill each other.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:11
Are people really suggesting that we ignore thousands of years of evolutionary history when choosing our diets? Carnivores are also much more difficult and expensive to farm to add to the list of reason. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 07:48
I don't think Captain Piccard was being serious. I was just showing off my limited knowledge on the subject.Wink

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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 10:48
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think Captain Piccard was being serious. I was just showing off my limited knowledge on the subject.Wink


No! Tiger dicks and the consumption thereof are both issues of grave importance.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 11:08
That reminded me of an episode of Fear Factor where one of the challenges was to eat various cooked animal penises.  Mmmm.

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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 11:55
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I don't think Captain Piccard was being serious. I was just showing off my limited knowledge on the subject.Wink


I think wacky Tim might be though.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 12:11
^ Carnivores are likely to be organic, I guess if they're not poached they'll be Fair Trade too. Wink

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 12:14
Since I am a vegetarian it would not would not work for me but I don't care what other people eat or think about eating habits. Purely subjective decisions.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 12:36
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Since I am a vegetarian it would not would not work for me but I don't care what other people eat or think about eating habits. Purely subjective decisions.
Clap Excellent attitude my friend, and so refreshing to hear.


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 12:37
Sorry Tim. Missed the sarcasm.

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 11 2012 at 12:45
You don't miss much so I will take it with a grain of salt......sea salt of course  

What about the chicken.......that bird will eat anything including other chickens



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