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Kati ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
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Not taking any credit away from Rush, however I personally could never compare a 3 member band to KC. My knowleadge of Rush albums/music is limited thus unless anyone can suggest me better albums compared to "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Red" and "Discipline" among others, my vote is King Crimson.
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Earthmover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 03 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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Even if all you said were true, it doesn't stop me or anyone else from liking King Crimson more, and in the end it doesn't mean Rush is objectively better than King Crimson (as you claim). And also, there cannot be objectivity in music. Saying that Rush is as (in)accessible as King Crimson because "it's all prog, and therefore inaccessible, and the average person can't get it" is both elitist (you imply that everyone who listens to prog is above average, thus you are above average) and quite simply stupid (compare Marillion to Gentle Giant, for example, or Genesis to Kayo Dot). I'm sorry, I've tried to make sense of what you're saying, but you are very headstrong. Just stop, please. You like Rush more than King Crimson, okay. You don't have to shove it up everybody's nose.
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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HemispheresOfXanadu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
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King Crimson wins for being most consistently progressive, Rush wins for being more consistently listenable. (No offense, Space Groove)
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Sumdeus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 23 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 831 |
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Why are you trying to prove Rush is a better band than King Crimson? Quite different bands that shouldn't really be compared.
and as far as the ratings on this site, I will bring up the accessibility thing because that's simply the main reason. Rush is much more well known so there would be a lot more people going to rate their albums and they tend to have very die-hard fanatic listeners. |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music more
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() "Hold that red star emblem so proudly high in hand" Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog. Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 09 2013 at 01:27 |
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Sumdeus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 23 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 831 |
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iirc yes, when i first got into prog i remember finding a story about how for their first time in the states they opened for a Sabbath tour and constantly got terrible reception because it was all drunken metal fans going "wtf is this? why is that guy tuning his violin? is this Sabbath? I want metal!"
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Gentle Giant opened for Black Sabbath?? ![]() |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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^ Sorry, my fault. (D$%n it, see, this is what happens when you don't read the post carefully in its entirety.)
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HarbouringTheSoul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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But I have already heard Discipline, as I have said in my post. |
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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^ Pf! ... Nobody likes KC.
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Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 09 2013 at 09:04 |
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HarbouringTheSoul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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I don't understand what you're talking about. |
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Dayvenkirq ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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^You may want to listen to some of their 80's, 90's and 00's output. It's more concise, and the lyrics are better (for the most part).
Oh, get Permanent Waves too, it's similar to Moving Pictures. |
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HarbouringTheSoul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
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King Crimson, who have made one of my favorite albums (Larks' Tongues in Aspic), several great ones (In the Court of the Crimson King, Islands, Red, Discipline) and a good number great songs on the albums I don't like as much.I haven't listened to any of their post-80s output, however.
As for Rush, I only ever bought four of their albums (2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures). They all have their good aspects, but only Moving Pictures would I consider great. They strike me as a band who embellish very simple songs with very complex arrangements, which can make for some supremely catchy songs when it works well and sound kind of strange when it doesn't. I like all the individual sub-songs in "2112", but they don't have enough of a grandiose feel to form a particularly convincing suite. Oh, and a lot of their lyrics on those late-70s albums are supremely awful. Then again, the same holds true for many King Crimson lyrics. Edited by HarbouringTheSoul - December 13 2012 at 03:29 |
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HackettFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
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King Crimson. No offense to Rush.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13227 |
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King Crimson without batting an eye.
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Sumdeus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 23 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 831 |
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i guess we differ in our personalities then? If I hate something that means I feel a negative passion towards it and probably cannot tolerate it well. If i dislike something that means I simply don't care for it and it's not my thing, but in the end I don't care about it more than I care to not like it. either way I think this is a very minor thing to nitpick, and would also like to point out that I am from the San Francisco Bay Area, where we're hella cool and make our own dialects! ^^yeah i wanted to point that out too haha, 'organic' music wouldn't use any sort of synthetic sounds or electronic amplificaiton, so I don't know how Rush are more organic than Crimson Edited by Sumdeus - December 12 2012 at 20:11 |
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