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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 06:56
Not taking any credit away from Rush, however I personally could never compare a 3 member band to KC.
My knowleadge of Rush albums/music is limited thus unless anyone can suggest me better albums compared to "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Red" and "Discipline" among others, my vote is King Crimson.    Big smileApprove
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 06:39
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music moreShockedShocked. You guys might say oh it's because they're more accessible(I don't think that that matters because Prog Rock is still pretty darn complex and the average person doesn't understand it) but the people's overall opinion matters most and they have rated Rush music a little bit betterShocked. Rush's music can stand with any King Crimson record, believe thatShockedShocked

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Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog.
Even if all you said were true, it doesn't stop me or anyone else from liking King Crimson more, and in the end it doesn't mean Rush is objectively better than King Crimson (as you claim). And also, there cannot be objectivity in music. Saying that Rush is as (in)accessible as King Crimson because "it's all prog, and therefore  inaccessible, and the average person can't get it" is both elitist (you imply that everyone who listens to prog is above average, thus you are above average) and quite simply stupid (compare Marillion to Gentle Giant, for example, or Genesis to Kayo Dot). I'm sorry, I've tried to make sense of what you're saying, but you are very headstrong. Just stop, please. You like Rush more than King Crimson, okay. You don't have to shove it up everybody's nose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 02:11
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music moreShockedShocked. You guys might say oh it's because they're more accessible(I don't think that that matters because Prog Rock is still pretty darn complex and the average person doesn't understand it) but the people's overall opinion matters most and they have rated Rush music a little bit betterShocked. Rush's music can stand with any King Crimson record, believe thatShockedShocked"Hold that red star emblem so proudly high in hand"Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 02:00
King Crimson wins for being most consistently progressive, Rush wins for being more consistently listenable. (No offense, Space Groove)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 01:44
Why are you trying to prove Rush is a better band than King Crimson? Quite different bands that shouldn't really be compared.

and as far as the ratings on this site, I will bring up the accessibility thing because that's simply the main reason. Rush is much more well known so there would be a lot more people going to rate their albums and they tend to have very die-hard fanatic listeners.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 01:26
I just made a major discovery about the Rush vs. King Crimson battle here on PA, I found that after the first 2 Rush albums(which don't really get much love here on PA) even though I find them excellent releases but not 5 stars by any stretch. The majority of people here on PA like Rush's music moreShockedShocked. You guys might say oh it's because they're more accessible(I don't think that that matters because Prog Rock is still pretty darn complex and the average person doesn't understand it) but the people's overall opinion matters most and they have rated Rush music a little bit betterShocked. Rush's music can stand with any King Crimson record, believe thatShockedShocked

"Hold that red star emblem so proudly high in hand"

Don't say that "ohh" King Crimson is not accessible, that's bullsh*t because in the end it's all Prog.


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 09 2013 at 01:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 14:16
iirc yes, when i first got into prog i remember finding a story about how for their first time in the states they opened for a Sabbath tour and constantly got terrible reception because it was all drunken metal fans going "wtf is this? why is that guy tuning his violin? is this Sabbath? I want metal!"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 10:06
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considering most people's tastes are quite simple, i would say it's easier to keep people entertained with just a basic set up. Think to what happened when Gentle Giant opened for Black Sabbath...as well, I don't think how basic or complex a band's musical set up matters all too much, it's about composition. Some bands make amazing music with basic equipment, some bands make terrible music with very high-end equipment. Rush are not the only band to choose to stick to a more basic set-up, and I don't see why they should be given special attention for doing so. If anyone deserves mention for something like that I would nominate The Doors. Some of the most inventive and unique compositions and with just a keyboards, drums, guitar and vocal set up.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 09:59
^ Sorry, my fault. (D$%n it, see, this is what happens when you don't read the post carefully in its entirety.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 09:56
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Sorry, I meant "grow old". My fingers can't always keep up with my brain. Get a taste of Discipline now before you lose that opportunity. Isn't taste age-dependent?

But I have already heard Discipline, as I have said in my post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:51
^ Pf! ... Nobody likes KC.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:31
Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

I really, really don't like King Crimson
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 16:50
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

King Crimson, who have made one of my favorite albums (Larks' Tongues in Aspic), several great ones (In the Court of the Crimson King, Islands, Red, Discipline) and a good number great songs on the albums I don't like as much.I haven't listened to any of their post-80s output, however.As for Rush, I only ever bought four of their albums (2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures). They all have their good aspects, but only Moving Pictures would I consider great. They strike me as a band who embellish very simple songs with very complex arrangements, which can make for some supremely catchy songs when it works well and sound kind of strange when it doesn't. I like all the individual sub-songs in "2112", but they don't have enough of a grandiose feel to form a particularly convincing suite. Oh, and a lot of their lyrics on those late-70s albums are supremely awful. Then again, the same holds true for many King Crimson lyrics.
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Sorry, I meant "grow old". My fingers can't always keep up with my brain. Get a taste of Discipline now before you lose that opportunity. Isn't taste age-dependent?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 16:47
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

King Crimson, who have made one of my favorite albums (Larks' Tongues in Aspic), several great ones (In the Court of the Crimson King, Islands, Red, Discipline) and a good number great songs on the albums I don't like as much.I haven't listened to any of their post-80s output, however.

As for Rush, I only ever bought four of their albums (2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures). They all have their good aspects, but only Moving Pictures would I consider great. They strike me as a band who embellish very simple songs with very complex arrangements, which can make for some supremely catchy songs when it works well and sound kind of strange when it doesn't. I like all the individual sub-songs in "2112", but they don't have enough of a grandiose feel to form a particularly convincing suite. Oh, and a lot of their lyrics on those late-70s albums are supremely awful. Then again, the same holds true for many King Crimson lyrics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 12:20
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

King Crimson, who have made one of my favorite albums (Larks' Tongues in Aspic), several great ones (In the Court of the Crimson King, Islands, Red, Discipline) and a good number great songs on the albums I don't like as much.I haven't listened to any of their post-80s output, however.

As for Rush, I only ever bought four of their albums (2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures). They all have their good aspects, but only Moving Pictures would I consider great. They strike me as a band who embellish very simple songs with very complex arrangements, which can make for some supremely catchy songs when it works well and sound kind of strange when it doesn't. I like all the individual sub-songs in "2112", but they don't have enough of a grandiose feel to form a particularly convincing suite. Oh, and a lot of their lyrics on those late-70s albums are supremely awful. Then again, the same holds true for many King Crimson lyrics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 09:32
^You may want to listen to some of their 80's, 90's and 00's output.  It's more concise, and the lyrics are better (for the most part). 

Oh, get Permanent Waves too, it's similar to Moving Pictures.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 03:28
King Crimson, who have made one of my favorite albums (Larks' Tongues in Aspic), several great ones (In the Court of the Crimson King, Islands, Red, Discipline) and a good number great songs on the albums I don't like as much.I haven't listened to any of their post-80s output, however.

As for Rush, I only ever bought four of their albums (2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures). They all have their good aspects, but only Moving Pictures would I consider great. They strike me as a band who embellish very simple songs with very complex arrangements, which can make for some supremely catchy songs when it works well and sound kind of strange when it doesn't. I like all the individual sub-songs in "2112", but they don't have enough of a grandiose feel to form a particularly convincing suite. Oh, and a lot of their lyrics on those late-70s albums are supremely awful. Then again, the same holds true for many King Crimson lyrics.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 22:11
King Crimson. No offense to Rush.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 21:30
King Crimson without batting an eye.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 20:09
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Well, it's an inappropriate usage then because you are using a word that's too strong for what you want to convey.  You basically want to say, "Meh, I don't really like it all that much".  That's not synonymous with "I dislike it"; the key here is "meh".   

Besides, whether you dislike/hate something or don't has nothing to do with a willingness to acknowledge another's perspective.   I hate Christina Aguilera but I am not going to ask somebody who enjoys listening to her to turn off the music...not my business and very impolite if I do so. 


i guess we differ in our personalities then? If I hate something that means I feel a negative passion towards it and probably cannot tolerate it well. If i dislike something that means I simply don't care for it and it's not my thing, but in the end I don't care about it more than I care to not like it.

either way I think this is a very minor thing to nitpick, and would also like to point out that I am from the San Francisco Bay Area, where we're hella cool and make our own dialects!


^^yeah i wanted to point that out too haha, 'organic' music wouldn't use any sort of synthetic sounds or electronic amplificaiton, so I don't know how Rush are more organic than Crimson


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