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rogerthat
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:17 | ||
That's why I myself asked a question whether such a distinction made sense. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 12:15 | ||
Yeah I was noticing how much the artists I listed are JRF and hey now, Soft Machine was obviously influenced by US jazz. I'd agree with that except you seem to be excluding JRF from prog rock. I've been collecting prog regardless of the country of origin, but with an apparent bias to US stuff and apparently an even bigger one to UK stuff. I think the cross pollination of modern music between US and UK has been a great thing for music, prog or not. I should that note that celtic folk music has been an influence on US folk and bluegrass. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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J-Man
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 11:21 | ||
^ Sweden and USA are both neck and neck in modern prog IMO. In prog metal, Sweden may have the edge, but in symphonic USA has more great bands.
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 11:19 | ||
Ok, that brings up another good point...USA had the better jazz fusion scene and UK the better prog rock scene, if the distinction makes sense. The prog metal and modern symph sees USA play a more significant role, but could it not be argued that Sweden is the most dominant in that scene? Either way, USA has never been right at the top at any point in prog's evolution though they have produced many great prog artists. In the 70s, it was Britain, France, Germany and Italy. |
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J-Man
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 10:21 | ||
It sure looks that way! |
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J-Man
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 10:19 | ||
Well said! Gandalff, your opinion of prog rock is skewed beyond belief. Prog isn't just about the 70's anymore! 1970 was 40 years ago! Prog has changed tremendously since then, and to deny the boatloads of quality American symphonic bands (Kansas, Echolyn, Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, to name a few) is just close-minded. Prog isn't about popularity, it's almost the contrary. I really don't feel like dealing with elitists such as yourself... |
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Icarium
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 10:18 | ||
well GB have their roots in celtic folk music and midle age troubadour music, wile America or US have their roots in raggetime, blues, country, native american songs, I take celtic influence over raggetime any time their is something spessial with the neo-celtic folk influnce blended with neo-middleage troubador music which in the end is the reason I like bands like Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, Jethro Tull, Supertramp and Camel, and that is the reason why Kansas is one of my favourite bands becoue of the mix of Britsh and American music influence
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sleeper
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 10:06 | ||
The UK may once have been but have you heard much modern prog from the UK? Most of it isnt worth bothering with and though there are several good bands, none of them are particularly unique, apeing their sound and style from both the classic bands of the 70's and the Neo prog bands of the 80's and early 90's.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 06:40 | ||
Not really true. Santana was at his proggiest in the early '70's. Some of Zappa's finest was made in the '70's, Weather Report, Dixie Dregs, Utopia, Starcastle, Happy The Man, Oregon, Shadowfax, David Sancious, Synergy, Electromagnets, Steve Tibbetts, Automatic Man, The Muffins, Return To Forever, Pat Metheny, Larry Coryell. Granted heavy on the jazz/rock fusion. And I was scrolling down my list, to be sure, UK outnumbers US by something like 4:1 in my collection. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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friso
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Posted: July 12 2010 at 05:30 | ||
American prog in the seventies was misarable. Let's face it. Germany, Holland, France and especially Italy were far more productive. They were however good in making metal and progressive metal from the nineties on.
However, often forgotton is the very progressive psychedelic scene of Amerika. Bands like United States of America, West Coast Pop Experimental Band (if remember it correctly), The Doors and many others. |
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Garion81
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Posted: July 07 2010 at 13:18 | ||
I have been saying that for years. Here in So Cal in the mid 70's we had several bands playing symphonic prog and none of them ever got a deal. They were all pretty good too. As for Kansas it took the best of three different bands to form one that made it. That and free beer! |
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himtroy
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Posted: July 07 2010 at 12:17 | ||
UK and US we're pretty neck in neck in prog (but UK has the Canterbury scene which alone makes them beat the US in my mind), but America wrecked in the late sixties psych scene. Theres thousands of unheard of band from America at that time that are all amazing when you actually discover them. America also gets credit for the blues, which is the basis of all good music.
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 07 2010 at 10:45 | ||
Weird post...really who cares US vs UK??
The first molecule of progressive music is......
Everything is built around the blues.......
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 07 2010 at 09:13 | ||
Actually, I thought it was to contrast and compare.
I was a huge fan as a kid. The movie Head was rather cool. Cameo appearance by Zappa. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 07 2010 at 09:16 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Gandalff
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 23:25 | ||
(Some reports did show it here...)
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 20:46 | ||
I don't understand why exactly this thread was made. Was this just to hate on American prog?
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The Truth
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:01 | ||
I think we're all winners
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CPicard
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 14:54 | ||
Maybe, but you don't make polka and musette as we do. Et toc! |
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A Person
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 13:51 | ||
Post of the day? |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 13:39 | ||
American jazz is better than European jazz. I win!
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