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Syzygy
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 16:37 |
It's a bit early to give a definite opinion, but I think Emmenteht-Re is a definite 5* album and a strong contender for album of the decade (although I may be slightly biased).
Lots of good recommendations so far - if you're thinking of dipping a toe into japanese Zeuhl, Koenjihyakkei is a goos place to start. All of the albums are worth owning, but I'd probably start with Nivrayam and work forward and back from there. Ruins Symphonica is also a real treat for Zeuhl fans, while the rest of Ruins work is something you will either love or hate, although if Symphonica tickles your fancy you'll probably enjoy their other albums as well.
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to the already rich among us...'
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progkidjoel
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 16:25 |
^I'd say check out some early magma, in particular MDK and Kobaia. Hope you enjoy E-Re as much as I do, brilliant disc.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 15:36 |
I'm a Zeuhl newbie too. I only have one album, "E-Re" (which I got for Christmas) and a few other Magma and Koenjihyakkei songs off of Youtube and Last.fm. I think I should check out "Eros" next.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 14:21 |
Hi, Zeuhl virgin here........ OK, I like that Eros album by Dun. I believe I gave it 3 stars. I also like one of the two singles I got with Magma. See my review. But if you recommend Eskaton as my first real ticket to mayhem..... ehh, Zeuhl, I will go with that. I will order tonight. I got the Magma albums, but I am not sure if they are the right ticket for a virgin.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 14:18 |
^ if not, Attahk but that's really just a fusion album made by a Zeuhl band.
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Logan
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 14:15 |
Thanks, I mentioned it an earlier post as one that got me into Zeuhl, but didn't automatically recommend it just in case the "operatic" vocals may be a turn-off. The vocals are what made it special for me. Like a lot of music before, I initially discovered the music thanks to the streaming track at PA which blew me away, without checking I think that one's "Attente", and so got the album quite quickly -- definitely well worth a listen. That and Weidorje's are usually albums I recommend quickly to Zeuhl newbies.
However, I still think for someone with Fusion in the name, Magma's first two along with the Zao recommendations might be good places to start too (though Kobaia wouldn't be an easy one for many -- I think more would find 1001 Degrees more accessible).
Edited by Logan - December 29 2009 at 14:16
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 12:57 |
^ That's it! Logan confirmed my suggestion, and explained it way better than I did.
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Logan
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 12:46 |
Eskaton's 4 Visions is an album that helped me really get into Zeuhl. Though that's the Eskaton album to start with, Eskaton's other albums are very good too (I really like Ardeur). Although the Eskaton (and Autopsie) offshoot band Musique Noise seems like an attempt to me to make Eskaton-type music really accessible, Fulmines Regularis is best avoided (I quite like it, but it has the reputation as one of the bad albums in the Zeuhl world, along with Magma's Merci, which I also like, and Troll Vol. II which I find, at least partially, very enjoyable).
Incidentally, I discovered Eakaton (Zeuhl) and Picchio dal Pozzo (Italian Canterbury) at the same time and both had a big effect on me.
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 12:01 |
Start with Eskaton's 4 Visions.
Better start than everything named before. I adore Magma, but Eskaton is far more accessible.
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
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CPicard
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 11:51 |
Epignosis wrote:
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas.
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Ignore Zeuhl. Ignore Kansas. Buy Anal c**t.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 03:11 |
Logan wrote:
I'll suggest Magma's Kobaia, 1001 Degrees Centrigrade, Weidorje ,or Zao as good places to start (but it depends on taste). I like most everything in Zeuhl. |
These are very good suggestions. I would have put Kobaia last instead of first on this list, but I whole-heartedly recommend this approach. Try out later Magma once you've sampled these first.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 03:08 |
Epignosis wrote:
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas.
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If we were at war, I could have you shot for this.
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Repner
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 00:51 |
I got started on Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh. Now I have their box set. Love them
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topofsm
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 00:28 |
Epignosis wrote:
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas.
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You're a Kansas fan? I had no idea!
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Logan
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 00:03 |
FusionKing wrote:
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas: Epignosis
You don't have to, 'cause I already love Kansas! |
If you like Kansas (I'm thinking of Robbie Steinhardt on violin) then you might appreciate Didier Lockwood's violin work: Zao (as I suggested earlier) has him on Kawana (and on Zao -Live, but I don't have it), but good violin work by others such as Jean-Yves Rigaud on the first three albums. And consider getting the great live album by Magma, Live/Hhai which also features Lockwood, and he's also on the great Retropsekttw I-2 which has my favourite version of Magma's MDK.
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FusionKing
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 23:27 |
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas: Epignosis
You don't have to, 'cause I already love Kansas!
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 22:54 |
Ignore Zeuhl. Buy Kansas.
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Padraic
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 22:29 |
FusionKing wrote:
Oh! I remember Kobaia from the mp3 stream on this site, it rocked! |
Good. I will join in the chorus that you should get the first two Magma albums and go from there.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 22:21 |
Hyderomastgroningem by Ruins!
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Logan
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 22:16 |
The Quiet One wrote:
Logan wrote:
I'll suggest Magma's Kobaia, 1001 Degrees Centrigrade, Weidorje ,or Zao as good places to start (but it depends on taste). I like most everything in Zeuhl. |
I haven't heard K.A, but Kobaia and 1001 Degrees Centrigrade are indeed good places to start if you know that what you're expecting is the unexpected. |
Not only are those particular favourite Magma albums of mine, but I was also influenced by the nick in those choices -- FusionKing. Those are good jazzy albums. Zao also has some really good jazzy music (I tend to like the début best but would rather recommend Osiris and the following albums), and Weidorje's is an awesome album (if you like that, check out Paga even though it's not all good). Dun's Eros and Eskaton's Four Visions are a couple of albums that helped get me into Zeuhl, and Shub-Niggurath is a particular favourite in the category -- excellent, but more avant chamber rock. The Japanese scene is great too, but you might want to hold off on that for a little while. Still, you might want to try Happy Family or Bondage Fruit (though I love Koenjhyakkei, I don't known that I'd recommend that to start).
Edited by Logan - December 28 2009 at 22:19
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