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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 18:48
you should try Tech 9ne his an amazngly skilled underground rapper (the moust famous underground rapper actually), i also have a soft spot for Rap before 1999 (with some few exeptions like Eminem) the best periode in rap/hiphop is betwean 1990 - 1997 in my humble opinion, my favorits are Outkast witch i find is the moust fresh and original of the moust famous rap artist the are very experimental al ther records from 93 to 2006 are amazing and classics) they pick influence from Parlament/Funcadelics, Bootsy Collins, Sly n the family stons and have hip hop combining elemnts from funk, jazz, r.n.b (the real stuff not the 00s copycats), rock and ofcourse real drums and intruments. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 18:23
I can't say I'm a big country fan (the Dixie Dregs is the closest to country I listen to, but they have more of a bluegrass influence), but I don't dismiss the genre entirely.  However, I like quite a few rap and hip hop artists.  The Beastie Boys are certainly among my top 10 of all time favorite music acts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 18:04
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

One thing is for sure: I'd take good pop any day over bad prog.



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I'll just say one thing: there are no good or bad genres, there's only good or bad music!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 17:55
Don't worry, your thread is in the right sectionThumbs Up! Anyway, thank you for presenting your argument in such a well-reasoned, respectful way - these days it is no mean feat.

As a long-time music lover, though prog is by far my favourite genre, I think you can find something worthy of listening in almost any genre - unless we're talking about plasticky, mass-produced stuff created to sell and then be forgotten within the space of a few months. Personally, while I will never understand the need to bash what one does not like, be it prog or not, I suppose that for some people it is a way to feel superior to the 'unwashed masses', even if they have no clue as to what they are talking about.

As regards the examples you have used in your post, though I know very little about rap, I can tell you that Micky, my husband, is a big fan of Willie Nelson, and sometimes plays his music here at home. While I cannot say it is precisely my cup of tea, I recognise he has a great voice, and his music has nothing whatsoever to do with what nowadays passes as 'country'. Bashing a whole genre just because of its worst manifestations is narrow-minded to say the least - and believe me, there would be a whole lot of bashing to be done as regards prog too. One thing is for sure: I'd take good pop any day over bad prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 17:41
I'm not sure if this topic belongs here, but I'm wondering if I'm alone in my defense of other genres of music besides prog, particularly rap/hip-hop and country/folk music. These genres seem to take regular blows from members of this community, and the only reason I can think of to account for this is the bulk of garbage that is the mainstream music scene.

Nowadays it seems rare to me that rock albums composed entirely of worthwhile songs ever float to the top, especially in popular music. We have to dig deep sometimes for music that is either truly fantastic or speaks to us on a personal level. That's why this site is so great to me.

However, the same applies to other genres of music. I've been listening to a lot of rap and hip hop recently, and I love what I've managed to find that I like because there is a lot of creativity in the music some of these underground and alternative artists are doing. Mike Patton has done some fantastic stuff (Peeping Tom, General Patton vs. the X-ecutioners), and so have Dalek and Atmosphere. I will continue to explore rap because there's a lot of talent that I don't think I've discovered yet.

And country/folk done right is fantastic too. Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, Wilco, Leonard Cohen; these are all praiseworthy artists. Once again, there are probably plenty of other artists that are overshadowed by the terrifying awfulness of the pop-country singers Dead

So I pose my question to those people who don't have a problem with writing off rap or country with insulting comments; can you justify that level of bigotry with actual experience listening to the music? I'm looking for reasonable arguments against accepting these forms of music.

And to the main body of the community: what do progressive rock listeners think of these genres and our attitudes toward them?

Feel free to move/remove this post if it doesn't quite fit in this forum.


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