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Gilgamesh 
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Joined: January 14 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
 Posted: January 14 2009 at 15:17 |
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Greetings to all! Speaking as a fan who discovered prog rock in its golden era, age 13, i.e. 1970-75, I think that the fabulous music we all love, from that era can never be repeated. By its very name this is a genre which progresses, and evolves. For me, Selling England was the first prog album I ever heard and to this day has never been bettered by any band, ever, although the Lamb came close. This golden age was really only ever revealed in a few masterpiece albums, by Genesis, Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, Mahavishnu Orchestra (jazz/prog?), Hatfield and the North, Egg, and a few others. Having seen a few of these creative teams live, I can say with confidence it was indeed a marvellous time in which the genre flowered (eventually into the Flower Kings!!). I think we should all be thankful for the (mostly English it must be said) trailblazers who created the fabric of the music that you and I love. But, that was then and what do we have now? Well, as the title suggests, this is a 'progressive' form of music, so we cannot expect it to have remained the same, can we? So, we now have a huge range of evolved prog which includes the Flower Kings, DTheater, SymphonyX, PTree, many others, and some newer Scandinavian bands I highly recommend. If you need some classic sounding prog then get these: Wobbler, 'Hinterland' (the best new classic prog i have heard) the 26 min title track wil make you think Genesis/Yes/ELP/Gentle Giant. While, Knight Area 'Under a New Sign', with gut-wobbling real bass pedals will have all the Gabriel era Genesis fans (like me), and Collins album dudes rocking!! Guaranteed...While we should all keep faith with the past, we should also move with the times, while not succumbing to the mimed reality rubbish predominant in the current (UK) charts...
Keep it Rael...
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Raff
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:44 |
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Post of the decade  ! |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:42 |
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You have basically explained the problem with most prog lovers: a bunch of egomaniacs who have to feel special one way or the other...
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:16 |
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Couldn't agree more. Either way, I listen to whatever I bloody well feel like - and if for a period of time it's nothing but prog, then so be it. |
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The T
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 10:45 |
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I had a couple of years of being an idiot like that...
Of course, what had to happen happened....I matured!! (at least in some areas... in others I'm actually going backwards...
)Prog as an exclusive dish leaves a lot to be desired. You can only take the indulgence of arrogant musicians for so long.... And I'm not excluding anyone.... Even my good DT guys can get annoying if I don't balance the diet with some shorter-more-direct things....
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Leningrad
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Joined: August 15 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7991 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 08:48 |
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I can see how that comes around, yes. I feel superior because I don't limit myself to prog, while the prog die-hards feel superior because they believe the genre is inherently better than the others.
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Jimbo
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 28 2005 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 2818 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 03:28 |
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I don't see how that's any different. From what I gather, this whole superiority complex seems to be innate in human nature. Before, you used to feel superior to others because they didn't share your tastes in prog - now you feel superior because you supposedly have wider tastes. It's all just two sides of the same coin.  |
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Kestrel
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Joined: June 18 2008 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 512 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 02:17 |
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Uh... does anyone try to "stay true" to prog...?
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Mellotron Storm
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14049 |
Posted: January 14 2009 at 00:03 |
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For me i have no problem in listening to what would be called prog or prog related.I spent so many freaking years trying to find music i liked and when i found prog it was like finding the Holy Grail. I love it,and there's so many genres that i really am into as well. For me this is home.And there's no place like home. So no i don't feel like i'm stuck or trapped in a genre of music.I'm living large in it! I've never been so satisfied with music in all my life.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 22:39 |
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Bumped, enlarged, and quoted for truth. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 21:41 |
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Yeah, I've never got the whole deal about "OMG ALL MY LISTENING MUST BE PROG, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME I DON'T LISTEN TO PROG 100 PER CENT OF THE TIME"
Come on people, there is jazz, classical, metal, punk , to name a few main genres and between them, you can find probably over 100 sub genres in those 4 main ones I named alone. There is a lot of music out there that isn't 'PROG ROCK' and surely someone can find something out there they are gonna like outside of prog. The fact anyone is concerned about whether they 'NOT STAYING TROOO 2 TEH PORG RAWK' is embarrassing quite frankly. I know I'd certainly be embarrassed if someone came up to me and asked what I listen to and my response is " I only listen to Prog Rock". Imagine how narrow minded, idiotic and pretentious they are going to think you are. There is no obligation and never has been for anyone to "STAY TROO" to prog rock, and I'm saying this as a Collab for christ sake. There are some people here that apparently listen to prog, 98, 99 or 100 per cent of the time. Just go out and actually try something else for a change, seriously, because you're missing so much. This is not the only music forum board I go to, because I honestly don't want to discuss or see dicussions on prog all day long and these places give me a break from that. And hell, these days, when I want 'new prog' I go for more underground stuff that doesn't have that association with 'classic prog', because the amount of classic prog discussions involving Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd has really made me want to get away from that stuff. As Ian (Dim) said earlier in this thread, listening to classic prog feels like a chore for me too nowadays. Edited by HughesJB4 - January 13 2009 at 21:45 |
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Leningrad
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Joined: August 15 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7991 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 21:15 |
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I can't even imagine how some of you have been stuck on the genre as long as you have. It just blows my mind. I was completely and utterly one of the OMG PRAGUE PRAGUE PRAGUE MY MUSIC TASTES ARE SO UNIQUE kids for only about a year and I'm horribly ashamed. Some of you have been doing it for decades.
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DamoXt7942
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Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 21:01 |
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For people who are restricted by prog strictly, the thread is boring, isn't it?
Ah...for me, it's interesting this can widen my window of experience and opportunity.
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 20:16 |
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lesson: never mess with anyone whose location is "Hell"  Edited by NaturalScience - January 13 2009 at 20:16 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 20:00 |
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^Lmao!
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Henry Plainview
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Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 19:55 |
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We might as well just kill ourselves now and save the trouble. Violence is never boring! Edited by Henry Plainview - January 13 2009 at 19:56 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 19:47 |
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How boring your life must be, boring man, that you visit boring threads just to say how boring they are. And your boring existence depends on people realizing that you're just another un-original boring internet troll.
Boredom reigns supreme
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XunknownX
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 02 2008 Status: Offline Points: 158 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 15:00 |
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...what a boring thread... Edited by XunknownX - January 13 2009 at 15:04 |
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JP312
Forum Newbie
Joined: August 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 14:55 |
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I hardly consider myself an expert, but my sense of what has happened with rock music in general (not necessarily just prog) is that most "new" rock bands have 2 or 3 generations of rock bands to be influenced by (or occasionally, to rebel against). The early rock bands were heavily influenced by genres other than rock because the established legacy of rock wasn't in place yet; they created it. the downside to this idea is that it seems like a genre can play itself out, and maybe that's what's happened to rock by this point (after nearly half a century, which really isn't a bad run).
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SickMyDuck
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Joined: March 11 2008 Location: argentina Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Posted: January 13 2009 at 06:14 |
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What originnally brings up people to prog is the unique experience of changing tempo, weird chords, uncommon drum patterns, different song construction, and on. What might be happening to you is just that it doesn't excite you as much as it originally did, as you have 'digged' into it. Its quite logical that you'll be starting listening to jazz, classical music, etc, for new horizons. What i may suggest you is trying to stop putting music in a genre, i mean, if you like a song, don't mind if it's from the seventies, or is it new, or wondering if a disc is more likely in jazz experimentation than prog, etc. Just listen and try to enjoy the music without labeling it, it may work, if you mood this day, this week or even a year is listening to jazz songs, well, just do it, and about new bands and stuff, mmm, i can really recommend you an awesome musician from Argentina called Luis Alberto Spinetta. This should keep you entertained if you like his music, since he has more than 30 discs. This artist goes from rock to prog, from jazz rock to blues. Here i'll put some media for you to give it a try =)
To start, this track is a classic from the 70's that incorporates a bit of 'tango' into it, surely very interesting http://www.imeem.com/cortadoenjarrito/music/82BadMbq/luis_alberto_spinetta_invisible_los_libros_de_la_buena_mem/ This track is from 1973 http://www.imeem.com/people/1Roungo/music/LdKI0M3o/pescado_rabioso_amame_peterib/ If you liked it, you surely will be pleased to listen this, its from the nineties http://www.imeem.com/people/1Roungo/music/ho1sFJ0P/spin_5bosnia/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1kW5NrrK-0&feature=PlayList&p=D40D3830456B554B&playnext=1&index=4 This musician has been playing from 40 years ago, and he stills rocks! Here you can listen something from his latest disc, released few months ago. http://www.imeem.com/people/xmkfCHy/music/xX6U0WCz/luis_alberto_spinetta_07_un_maanamp3/ As a little 'bonus' here you can listen to another great artist that is more 'prog' called Charly Garcia, also argentinian, i love his work, this is some from his seventies band: http://www.imeem.com/tomymusica/music/YkEKNuPp/la_maquina_de_hacer_pjaros_hipercandombe/ http://www.imeem.com/tomymusica/music/A-smNSYf/la_maquina_de_hacer_pjaros_ruta_perdedora/ http://www.imeem.com/people/K2hJeVR/music/MJis3iH7/casicarioblogspotcom_ah_te_vi_entre_las_luces This is from an unplugged he recorded 10 years ago. http://www.imeem.com/people/77P84y/music/GVpuNm-e/charly_garcia_pasajera_en_trance/ Well, i hope this helped, and im very sorry if i misunderstodd what made you start the thread. Hopefully you'll enjoy the tracks and listen to some cds from these artist, ill be glad if any of the people that listened to them actually starts listening them, to me, they are probably the greatest argentinian musicians together with astor piazzolla. Bye and thanks for reading/listening. |
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