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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:37

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- Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat.

A joke doesn't make your comment less offensive, probably worst.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:35

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Cacho, if comparing people who give their honest opinion in a poll with an animal, then well said

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Just because you don't like other people's opinion being opposite as yours, doesn't mean they're wrong.

So please let me be free to express my opinions, as you ask when other people insult you or offend you.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:31

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Here's my two cents. Compared to Journey (for example) Jimi was as progressive as an artist can get. He should be in here.

you're right he was a very progressive artist ..so was Eddie Van Halen but it is the music we usually look at for inclusion rather than individual virtuosity

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:28

^ Meh - a poll vote is anonymous - it is impossible to tell the reason behind a Yes or a No vote - a Yes vote could be for all the wrong reasons, for example "I like Hendrix therefore I vote Yes" - Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:19

Cacho, if comparing people who give their honest opinion in a poll with an animal, then well said

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:14

^well said Dean Clap

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:13

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You don't have to know Hendrix's music to click a Yes/No box - my pet cat could do that given time and patience.

The difference is that we are not your pet cat, and your comparison sounds offensive to say the less, even with your Adm hat on or off.

I believe we are honest peope with more intelligence and musical knowledge than your cat.

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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 29 2008 at 18:15

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:08

^ I can find no mention of the Admins deciding NOT to add Hendrix Ivan.

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Considering Hendrix died in 1970 then Prog Related would be stretching things considerable, however, Proto Prog is more suited to pre-1970 artists IF they can be shown to be influential on the development of, and contribution to the formation of, Progressive Rock. For that category the artist does not have to have played Progressive Rock, or be influenced by it, in Proto Prog it is possible to discuss studio techniques, compositional influences and playing styles as being pertinent to the development of Progressive Rock (eg The Beatles)

As far as Poll are concerned I put little value to them - 99% of the Polls were for inclusion into a Prog or Prog Related sub - the only Proto-Prog poll allowed multiple votes, so was void. You don't have to know Hendrix's music to click a Yes/No box - my pet cat could do that given time and patience.

Hendrix was part of the UK Psychedelic scene of 67/68 and toured with Pink Floyd, The Move and Soft Machine - members of all three bands have open spoken of the influence of Hendrix - I think his contribution to the Psyche-scene is immeasurable (I'm sure Eetu and the Psyche team would probably agree with that) and goes beyond technique and playing style In terms of composition and structure "Electric Ladyland" is a Proto-Prog Psyche album.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:34

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Hendrix was in the one branch.. musically... that did have little bearing or impact on prog. Of course... like any suggestion ...everyone has their two cents.. that is why these threads will always pop up.. and should be allowed to pop up. Sometime.. somewhere... someone might make a definative case for him.. and here's to hoping that people aren't too busy talking ..and not listening enough to others. Always have seen that as a bit of a problem here.

Interesting when opinions change so radically:

Originally posted by Micky November 13 2006 at 12:03

Micky November 13 2006 at 12:03 wrote:

NO NO NO NO NO

Hendrix is not in the same boat as Iron Maiden.. Jody is right as to why Iron Maiden should be here. Hendrix was simply not prog related. Enough on this though.... I've voiced my two cents on this enough as it is. If we are going to include artists based on what... one or two goddamned songs.. wherr the hell is this going to end LOL

He was the greatest of all guitarists.. the music itself... come on.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31037&KW=Hendrix

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:17

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On a completely different thread Boston died an early death, rightly so! Hendrix's argument for PA inclusion like the great man himself died far too young....IMO

Hendrix arguments died too young?

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General Music Discussions
	Favorite Jimi Hendrix By Modrigue, January 31 2007 at 19:14	17	221	By 1800iareyay February 03 2007 at 14:27
Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
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Suggest New Bands and Artists
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	Jimi Hendrix a freak? By Minkia, May 22 2006 at 19:02	9	141	By Barla May 25 2006 at 14:00
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	J hendrix and Cream By darius, April 29 2006 at 02:56	6	75	By Cheesecakemouse May 10 2006 at 07:29
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	Topics / Topic Starter	Replies	Views	Last Post
General Music Discussions
	My Dad needs help...Hendrix By The Lost Chord, November 28 2005 at 14:53	7	126	By Dick Heath November 30 2005 at 10:13
Prog Polls
	Hendrix, Emerson, Lake & Palmer By Yanns, May 03 2005 at 20:36 1 2	35	722	By krauthead October 17 2005 at 15:18
Suggest New Bands and Artists
	Jimmi Hendrix? By BitchBrew, October 16 2005 at 11:55	6	140	By porter October 17 2005 at 12:24
Prog Polls
	Jimi Hendrix And Prog Rock By marktheshark, May 03 2005 at 12:09	16	323	By PROGMAN May 04 2005 at 05:44
	jimi hendrix and his outstanding `girl` By rivera`s hope, February 26 2005 at 15:18	13	226	By James Lee February 27 2005 at 15:40
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	YOUR BEST OF HENDRIX (NOT TOP 10 CHART) By Captain Fudge, February 21 2005 at 10:03	5	102	By mirco February 21 2005 at 19:11
	einstein or hendrix By DallasBryan, November 27 2004 at 11:50	6	152	By DallasBryan November 28 2004 at 23:19
	Jimi Hendrix By Wizard/TRueStar, November 09 2004 at 18:54	18	256	By Fitzcarraldo November 12 2004 at 07:33
	Jimi Hendrix By Guests, April 11 2004 at 03:29	14	217	By The Analog Kid April 14 2004 at 11:50

Very few really Prog bands have been discussed that much.

micky wrote:

exactly Chris.... and let's not forget... I looked at one of those previous polls... there were 110 votes for him being added.

Micky,. that thread in which hendrix LOST 140 votes against 110 was closed by Bob because the starter allowed multiple votes.

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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 29 2008 at 17:29

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:13

exactly Chris.... and let's not forget... I looked at one of those previous polls... there were 110 votes for him being added. That is a hell of a lot of people. This is not a suggestion from Mars... that said.. he doesn't belong here in my opinion. Explained why in a different thread.. different topic... when someone suggested Cream. Prog sprang from psychedelic... Hendrix was in the one branch.. musically... that did have little bearing or impact on prog. Of course... like any suggestion ...everyone has their two cents.. that is why these threads will always pop up.. and should be allowed to pop up. Sometime.. somewhere... someone might make a definative case for him.. and here's to hoping that people aren't too busy talking ..and not listening enough to others. Always have seen that as a bit of a problem here.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:04

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1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.

If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.

Again, progression, evolution, advance, etc, have no relation with Progressive Rock.

And lets be honest, Hendrix is proposed for his abbilities as performer, not for his compositions which have absolutely no relation with Progressive Rock.

The definition of Prog related is clear

We specify the word MUSICAL because simple performance of a determined instrument in a Prog or mainstream band is not justification enough to include an artist, no matter how virtuoso he/she may be, Prog Archives has to evaluate their compositional work because the music is what determines the characteristics of a band or an artist.

http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38

And Chris, there is a poll about Hendruix, but we had 10 in which he was rejected, and this was discussed in the collaborators section and the conclusion was....If a rejected artist doesn't release a new album that could justify his inclusion, there's no reason to insist again, if not, this would be a never ending game, an artist is rejected one, two, tyen times and people keep insisting,

Hendrix has been voted massively against in every poll, and the Adms have DECIDED not to add him to PR...Until when will be keep insisting?

Iván

I know Ivan, but new people will always stop by here and weigh in sensible arguments/discussion pro say Hendrix or similar inclusions. On top of that what is wrong with a mad bunch of tenacious stalwarts adding their two cents worth, even if it is the same old dime they pass around?

On a completely different thread Boston died an early death, rightly so! Hendrix's argument for PA inclusion like the great man himself died far too young....IMO

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 11:52

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ah but yes nearly all the above are indeed debateable points Ivan as would be Hendrix

Still let's rather not go there right now....this is after all a Hendrix thread.

At least par Lindh has much more right to be included, he was member of three 100% prog bands:

Annthena Baroque
Par Lindh Project
Lindh anfd Johansson.

Has played with Anglagard in Progfest.

Founder of the Swedish Art Rock Society

Responsible of Symphonic rebirth in the 90's

You can't compare his Prog credentials with Hendrix, simply Jimmy doesn't have where to start with him in relation to Progressive Rock.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 11:46

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1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.

If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.

Again, progression, evolution, advance, etc, have no relation with Progressive Rock.

And lets be honest, Hendrix is proposed for his abbilities as performer, not for his compositions which have absolutely no relation with Progressive Rock.

The definition of Prog related is clear

http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38

Hendrix has been voted massively against in every poll, and the Adms have DECIDED not to add him to PR...Until when will be keep insisting?

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 10:01

Well, even as rejected as he's been around here, you can still enjoy his music all the same. I really do feel that if he hadn't died, when he did, he would have moved musically in a more jazz/rock-fusion direction. If I were king, I'd stick him in proto.

Edited by Slartibartfast - November 29 2008 at 10:02

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 09:39

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There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?

I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.

HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?

Not necesarilly, if not remember

Genesis and Collins.

Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos

Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh

Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics

But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.

Iván

But I think there is an image of what's prog and what not. How could you be so sure that HELP would be included? Probably because Hendrix would get enough prog credentials for being with ELP in a band.

1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.

If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 09:32

Here's my two cents. Compared to Journey (for example) Jimi was as progressive as an artist can get. He should be in here.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 02:23

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

crimson87 wrote:

There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?

I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.

HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?

Not necesarilly, if not remember

Genesis and Collins.

Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos

Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh

Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics

But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.

Iván

ah but yes nearly all the above are indeed debateable points Ivan as would be Hendrix

Still let's rather not go there right now....this is after all a Hendrix thread.

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 01:42

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There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?

I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.

HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?

Not necesarilly, if not remember

Genesis and Collins.

Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos

Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh

Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics

But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 29 2008 at 01:48

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Posted: November 29 2008 at 00:25

There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?

I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.