Least Proggy Metallica Album

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Alright, I can't keep silent any longer about this. If you don't think Metallica, or even IM at the least, are prog related, then I'd wonder how much you know about the history of metal. To say that Metallica was influential is almost an understatement, because I can't think of many metal or prog metal bands that came after them who weren't in some way or other influenced by Metallica's 80s putout. And to be quite honest, Metallica actually MADE 4 progressive metal albums (I'd be all for having them in prog metal instead of prog related, but I get the feeling I'd get stoned for thinking such heathenous thoughts). Granted I'm not talking about progressive in the sense of 70s prog rock but in "progressive" music that's moving forward and trying something new. Kill 'Em All helped to creat 2 new genres of music, speed and thrash metal, which to me is a pretty big sign of what the band accomplished in that decade. Granted I'm no longer a huge Metallica fan like I once was, but sometimes I wonder if some people are using this as an excuse to simply take a piss on prog metal again, something that sadly happens too often on this site...

oh please gimme a break. just what makes metallica prog/prog related? the fact they influenced every single band that came after them. well boyo sorry to break it to you but the first cavemen who decided to create music out of the blue is prog/prog related as well but when you search pa for john doe or jane doe you don't get a single artist.

prog bands drew inspirations from so many different bands of different genres that in fact you could include just about every single band out there as prog/prog related.

the fact that people on pa came up with a genre pa doesn't shape the musical world in a way that there really is a genre named prog related. its strictly a fiction of mind of certain people from pa.

the genre prog related is nothing but a bunch of crap. under same thoughts one could include the likes of diamond head, motorhead, queen or someone from first wave of black metal such as venom or bathory?
why not count early norwegean black metal bands such as mayhem or darkthorne or burzum as prog as well after all didn't they have direct or indirect influece on the likes of opeth?

the tag prog related is nothing but a piece of sh*t.

on your 2nd question metallica in fact died with cliff burton. and justice for all just happened. the rest of it i don't acknowledge it exists because if i did acknowledge its existance i couldn't have any respect whatsoever for the band that created 4 classic albums from kill em all to and justice for all.  its not about me being closed minded about music is them releasing crap albums. i mean black? load? reload? or how about garage inc which is nothing but 2 cds filled with covers? thats even without me even mentioning st anger. sorry but for me metallica after and justice for all doesn't exist. not even songs a la nothing else matters that many see as classics.

MaidenMadness wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: Ghost Rider wrote: I'll go with the "Black Album", which is, in my very humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (I'm tempted to use the 'O' word too, but I'll refrain from doing so). It is flat, monotonous, and utterly unoriginal.... What a sharp contrast with its predecessor!  What? It is an overrated album in my opinion as well. No need to be afraid to say it. *Awaits mob bearing torches and pitchforks* i think you are mistaken friend. metallica have never released an album called black album or something of the kind. here i'll be more and happy to list to you entire metallica discography 1983 - kill em all 1984 - ride the lightning 1986 - master of puppets 1988 - ..and justice for all that is all. there is no more. however the fact that some faggy ass pop rock/nu metal band called metallica as well has been releasing albums since 1991 has a lot of people confused into thinking its the same band when in fact they are two completely different bands

Well well, I see we are certainly open to new ideas. Inappropriate language doesn't really make it seem that mature either. You are entitled to your opinion of course, and I almost feel the same as you do that Metallica "died" after the 80s so to speak, but you can't simply dismiss a large majority of their discography simply because you don't like it. It exists, but no one's making you listen to it.

MaidenMadness wrote: metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog. the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever. metallica have made 4 classic albums but sadly they chose to stop making music after they released ..and justice for all as much as every other metalhead i'd love for metallica to come out of retirement but after 20 years of abstence from music industry i think its safe to assume its not gonna happen.

Alright, I can't keep silent any longer about this. If you don't think Metallica, or even IM at the least, are prog related, then I'd wonder how much you know about the history of metal. To say that Metallica was influential is almost an understatement, because I can't think of many metal or prog metal bands that came after them who weren't in some way or other influenced by Metallica's 80s putout. And to be quite honest, Metallica actually MADE 4 progressive metal albums (I'd be all for having them in prog metal instead of prog related, but I get the feeling I'd get stoned for thinking such heathenous thoughts). Granted I'm not talking about progressive in the sense of 70s prog rock but in "progressive" music that's moving forward and trying something new. Kill 'Em All helped to creat 2 new genres of music, speed and thrash metal, which to me is a pretty big sign of what the band accomplished in that decade. Granted I'm no longer a huge Metallica fan like I once was, but sometimes I wonder if some people are using this as an excuse to simply take a piss on prog metal again, something that sadly happens too often on this site...

metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog.

the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever.

metallica have made 4 classic albums but sadly they chose to stop making music after they released ..and justice for all
as much as every other metalhead i'd love for metallica to come out of retirement but after 20 years of abstence from music industry i think its safe to assume its not gonna happen.

I'll go with the "Black Album", which is, in my very humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (I'm tempted to use the 'O' word too, but I'll refrain from doing so). It is flat, monotonous, and utterly unoriginal.... What a sharp contrast with its predecessor! 

Avantgardehead wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?   I find it impossible to believe - unless, of course, they hadn't actually listened to Metallica. Did you know there are also people who think Linkin Park and Mudvayne are prog?!?!?! People have all kinds of crazy views, best not to get too riled-up about it.

Certif1ed wrote: Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?   I find it impossible to believe - unless, of course, they hadn't actually listened to Metallica.

Did you know there are also people who think Linkin Park and Mudvayne are prog?!?!?!

People have all kinds of crazy views, best not to get too riled-up about it.

Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?

"none of them" 

None of the first 4 albums, that's for sure... That's progressive in the true sense of the world.
But after that, I don't really think any of their albums have very much to do with prog. Keep in mind how different the music scene was in 83-88. In my eyes, innovation was the most "proggy" feature of Metallica, and everything after "Justice" pales in comparison in that respect.