Jazz Fusion or Jazz Prog Fusion

Dick Heath wrote: 'Jazz rock' has always been about the fusion of 'jazz' elements and 'rock' elements into the hybrid. 'Progressive music' was originally the fusion of 'rock' with any one or more types of music, in the 60's often for the first time - whether folk, jazz, classical (here  including either use of classical compositions or classical music structures to a new composition), folk, various world (folk) musics, etc.  In other words 'jazz rock 'was both a sub-division of 'progressive music' and 'jazz'. . Around 1970 there was a parting of the ways of 'progressive music', into the more familar commonplace 'progressive rock', 'folk rock', 'heavy rock', etc. - and certainly MO, RTF, WR released albums afterwards which still retained creditability as 'progressive rock'. To a large extent is is the slow loss of much and often all of the rock elements, (apart from the element of amplification) moved 'jazz rock' into 'jazz fusion' (to added confusion since 'jazz rock' was literally a fusion of genres...... hence the better term  'jazz-rock-fusion') . But then a lot of Soft Machine's recording catalogue into the 70's has less rock than most other examples of the "'jazz-rock' fraternity.... (BTW I'm remain confused as to where 'Art -Rock' fits in here???)   Until there I follow you Dick, that's what I thought, as a fact as few know I'm a fan of Jazz and Fusion since I inherited my whole gradfather's Jazz and Fusion collection when he died in 1981, more than 300 original LP's.   I remember all then problems I had to add Jean Luc Ponty to the Archives about two years ago, but I believe his post Mahavishnu works are 100% Prog.     I think see where you're coming from Ivan, but I am sticking with the 60's original useage of 'jazz rock', rather the useage corrupted by the rethink of what/who defined 'progressive rock' circa 1972-3, when the big players were becoming established, e.g. Yes, KC, GG, Genesis, VdGG, and definitions got really narrowed down. Hence, I'm looking/listening for a  fusion of jazz and rock, not more specifically jazz and progressive rock. One problem is many of the jazz rock musicians shifted into jazz-fusion sans rock late 70's early 80's to retain their jazz creditials - and we are stuck with that policy: the complete discography - which means very strangely Kind Of Blue greets you on the opening page to this site this week????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fortunately we have had musicians whohaven't bowed down to fashions, and jazz rock has continued to progress to this very day. BTW I would feel very unhappy if prog fusion became dominant, since since too often this is no more than instrumental progressive rock, lacking jazz..     But my main question (which you obviously get) is:   Is it enough for a Jazz band to blend Jazz and Rock to be here? Do we need a special and additional Prog element to add a band- Iván

'Jazz rock' has always been about the fusion of 'jazz' elements and 'rock' elements into the hybrid. 'Progressive music' was originally the fusion of 'rock' with any one or more types of music, in the 60's often for the first time - whether folk, jazz, classical (here  including either use of classical compositions or classical music structures to a new composition), folk, various world (folk) musics, etc.  In other words 'jazz rock 'was both a sub-division of 'progressive music' and 'jazz'. . Around 1970 there was a parting of the ways of 'progressive music', into the more familar commonplace 'progressive rock', 'folk rock', 'heavy rock', etc. - and certainly MO, RTF, WR released albums afterwards which still retained creditability as 'progressive rock'. To a large extent is is the slow loss of much and often all of the rock elements, (apart from the element of amplification) moved 'jazz rock' into 'jazz fusion' (to added confusion since 'jazz rock' was literally a fusion of genres...... hence the better term  'jazz-rock-fusion') . But then a lot of Soft Machine's recording catalogue into the 70's has less rock than most other examples of the "'jazz-rock' fraternity.... (BTW I'm remain confused as to where 'Art -Rock' fits in here???)