New Category, Post metal/ Sludge or Doom

darqdean wrote: Sub dividing Prog Metal is a good idea: Neurosis, Opeth and Dream Theater lumped together does not compute, but I feel six is too many (even though the reality is probably more than six ) - it becomes too esoteric and subjective. Would it not be better to start small, say 3, and see how it works out?

Of course. This would also be possible:

• Prog Metal (the traditional kind, combining Power + Melodic from my previous example)
• Tech/Extreme Prog Metal (Tech/Math + Extreme)
• Post/Avant Prog Metal

Or this:

• Prog Metal
• Tech/Avant/Extreme Prog Metal
• Post Metal

But I don't think it makes much of a difference whether you have 3 or 6 sub genres - as long as they're all valid and there are enough bands which naturally fit in each of them. Of course there would be a few bands which fit equally well in several of these genres - Atheist were mentioned. For these some rules would have to be determined (e.g. "Extreme" overrules "Tech").


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 18 2007 at 10:21

Time Signature wrote: Is there really such a genre as post metal? If yes, what is it?

It depends on how much you like artists. I'd personally join rogether RIO/Avant/Zeuhl and Jazz/Fusion as I'm a total n00b in them and rarely enjoying music from those bands . I'd also add Indo-Prog to Prog Folk and would name this mixture an Ethnic Prog


Post-Metal are PELICAN, THE MORNINGSIDE, GIANT SQUID, GRAYCEON, RED SPAROWES, RUSSIAN CIRCLES, ISIS, NEUROSIS, CULT OF LUNA, AGALLOCH and many others. I suppose 1/5 of all Prog-Metal bands on PA would fit here . Almost a hundred of bands is quite enough for a new category, eh?


Edited by Prog-jester - September 18 2007 at 10:16

Agree with Post-Metal genre idea

Sub dividing Prog Metal is a good idea: Neurosis, Opeth and Dream Theater lumped together does not compute, but I feel six is too many (even though the reality is probably more than six ) - it becomes too esoteric and subjective. Would it not be better to start small, say 3, and see how it works out?

^ the bands are different enough to justify the genres ... prog metal simply branched out much more than most other sub genres of prog rock. In the last 20+ years it developed into a base genre ... like an offshoot of prog rock, a child branch which developed into a separate tree.

Imagine Frank Zappa, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Genesis, Hawkwind, Sigur Rós, Can and Rush being in the same category ... that's a bit like what we currently have in Prog Metal.

jikai55 wrote: Yes, I feel the post-metal genre is neccessary! Remember, not all Sludge bands are Post-Metal bands! Well, if you were breaking down Prog Metal, heres some categories I could recommend: Post-Metal (Isis, Neurosis...) Avant-Garde Metal (Subterranean Masquerade, Unexpect...) Jazz Metal/Tech Metal (Cynic, Atheist, Meshuggah...) And keep the category 'Progressive Metal' for bands like DT and Fates Warning. Just my ideas.

That's not very far from what we have in mind in the PMT ... but there are two more candidates for new categories IMO:

Prog Power Metal (Kamelot, Symphony X, Nightwish, Rhapsody, ... all bands with a focus on Power Metal (both European/American style))
Extreme Prog Metal (Opeth, Meshuggah, Death, Atheist, Enslaved, ... all bands based in extreme metal genres like Death, Black, Thrash etc)

As a result the bands remaining in Prog Metal would all be melodic and symphonic, So it might be renamed to Melodic Prog Metal:

• Melodic Prog Metal
• Prog Power Metal
• Extreme Prog Metal
• Post Metal
• Avant Metal
• Tech/Math Metal
  

You just have to draw the line between sludge and post-metal. Sure, bands like Isis and Neurosis are sludge AND post-metal, but bands like Bongzilla and Acid Bath aren't post-metal.

Yes, I feel the post-metal genre is neccessary!

Remember, not all Sludge bands are Post-Metal bands!

Well, if you were breaking down Prog Metal, heres some categories I could recommend:

Post-Metal (Isis, Neurosis...)
Avant-Garde Metal (Subterranean Masquerade, Unexpect...)
Jazz Metal/Tech Metal (Cynic, Atheist, Meshuggah...)

And keep the category 'Progressive Metal' for bands like DT and Fates Warning. Just my ideas.

^well, the entry "progginess" level is lower just because of how terribly rigid metal is, naturally, but I think the teams *tend* to pick the most inventive bands from what's available...

Currently there are approximately 400 prog metal bands in the database, another 70 have been cleared for addition, and another 100+ bands are being considered. It's about time that this huge category gets split ... as some of you will know the PMT worked out a suggestion which would result in 4 or 5 new categories, each of which would contain 50-150 bands.