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evilromero
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 23:18 |
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Dim
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:02 |
tubey wrote:
Ok, I am not sure why I am posting to this thread but I have debated on it for some time and the only thing that I can come up with in my somewhat small mind is this: the reason why we're all here is because we're all BIG fans of prog and prog is like a HUGE buffet line with all kinds of tasty stuff for us to fill our plates and our bellys. Prog is SOOOO huge that I must rely on the kind folks here who post in and suggest things to try. I must admit, I've heard one song by Tool and to tell you the truth, I can't begin to say which one, so by asking me that question, I would stare dumbfoundly at you. It was a morsel I thought I wouldn't put on my plate but it went down pretty good. Are they my favorite band? Honestly, no because I must hear some more 'afore I go placing my 'yea' or 'nay' on the group. That is why I hang out here at the Prog buffet because it has been my good fortune that there has been some kind soul to tell me, 'if you like this, try a bit of that.' And sometimes the taste isn't what I expected. But, that's okay because I made an effort to try it.
Different strokes for different folks. If you don't like Tool, great. Find another band to try. If you do, great. Continue to support them by attending their shows and buying their CDs. I can honestly say that I am blessed that there are bands like Tool writing, recording and playing the music they believe in. Even though I may not have heard any of their music or maybe just one song, I am blessed to know there are souls out there digging 'em.
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tubey
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 18:30 |
Ok, I am not sure why I am posting to this thread but I have debated on it for some time and the only thing that I can come up with in my somewhat small mind is this: the reason why we're all here is because we're all BIG fans of prog and prog is like a HUGE buffet line with all kinds of tasty stuff for us to fill our plates and our bellys. Prog is SOOOO huge that I must rely on the kind folks here who post in and suggest things to try. I must admit, I've heard one song by Tool and to tell you the truth, I can't begin to say which one, so by asking me that question, I would stare dumbfoundly at you. It was a morsel I thought I wouldn't put on my plate but it went down pretty good. Are they my favorite band? Honestly, no because I must hear some more 'afore I go placing my 'yea' or 'nay' on the group. That is why I hang out here at the Prog buffet because it has been my good fortune that there has been some kind soul to tell me, 'if you like this, try a bit of that.' And sometimes the taste isn't what I expected. But, that's okay because I made an effort to try it.
Different strokes for different folks. If you don't like Tool, great. Find another band to try. If you do, great. Continue to support them by attending their shows and buying their CDs. I can honestly say that I am blessed that there are bands like Tool writing, recording and playing the music they believe in. Even though I may not have heard any of their music or maybe just one song, I am blessed to know there are souls out there digging 'em.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:34 |
Sure, I'll have another Lolly.
Edited by Shakespeare - August 23 2007 at 20:35
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Dean
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:26 |
Shakespeare wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there. |
They have turned into videos?!?!?!
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have another LOLy
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:14 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there. |
They have turned into videos?!?!?!
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:07 |
I like their strange sort of...psychedelic ambient/pop-metal thing that they do, very unique. I hated it at first, but after many listens I grew to appreciate 10,000 days. Of course, I'm not a massive fan, and still have only heard the 1 album. When I get Lateralus, who knows, maybe I'll stop liking them.
But continue to check out other bands, and continue to try Tool every now and then if you get the time: often after many listens, a band will click. My only advice is don't put pressure on yourself to enjoy any band.
Edited by Shakespeare - August 23 2007 at 20:13
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Dean
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:02 |
Any band who dedicates an album to Bill Hicks has got to be worth the extra effort needed to get into them
Seriously, as others have said, if you don't like a band, it's fine, move on, there are plenty of other bands to listen too. Liking Tool isn't obligatory for your enjoyment of prog.
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dralan
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 19:21 |
I do like Tool and I have alot of respect for them as musicians , but I do see where you are coming from. I was really into them when they first came out with Opiate and then Undertow, but after that they seemed to kind of stall out on ideas, rehasing the same old tired lumbering riffs with the dark, mysterious lyric thing going on. I myself never really thought of them as "prog" per se either. The latest album offers up no new ideas or change of direction. Seems they are comfotable standing pat with a proven formula.
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Dim
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:29 |
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there.
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ian picken
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 11:48 |
Went to see TOOL at brixton last night, i have seen them several times now and its a shame you was not there cos they would of blown you away. Great sound, great stage show with lasers and awesome projections, just brilliant, they are good on cd but so much better live.
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chamberry
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 18:17 |
Can't get into Tool? Too bad, but you can check out the 123254264364574535424234 bands that you still haven't listened to.
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eon_
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 14:28 |
Well to the post "Cannot get into Tool" I would recommend you to try to get into other band, after all you don't HAVE to like a band in particular it's all a matter of taste as someone already said.
Their haven't been a band in history that appeals to everyone so what's the problem?
Prog bands are hard to get into, so there is another reason why Tool is prog..lol
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Spiral out, keep going...
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Mikerinos
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 14:12 |
Tool to me are OK, but they are merely a small planet in an endless universe of music So basically what I'm saying is if you don't like them, simply check out other stuff instead. Even if you DO like them, check out other stuff as well. Progressive music is about progressing music taste as well (at least it is to me)
Edited by Bluesaga - August 22 2007 at 14:13
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queenlerxst
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 13:10 |
Most of the Tool fans I know HATE progressive rock or any complex music.
I don't know what that says about Tool's music....
...actually, I can see why they fall in the prog category, and as much as I respect them, they don't really do anything for me. Though they do have neat music videos.
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puma
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 02:35 |
It's all about context. If you sit around listening to Yes and King Crimson and Van der Graaf and you hear Tool, I don't blame you for not being impressed. But in the context of alternative rock (which is what I have always defined Tool as), that's where they shine. I heard them on an alt-rock radio station in Boston, WFNX, and I heard Schism lodged between an Alice in Chains song and a Smashing Pumpkins song 5 years ago. Needless to say I was shocked at how different they sounded and how much I liked it. I feel like there's a lot to like about their music. It's not the most melodic thing you'll ever hear, but hey, we're not all Jethro Tull over here. They're a very passionate band who care about the experience. They are a band where you have to turn it up loud and pay attention, and then the "filler" tracks make sense in the album's context. You can hear the love they put in their music and the care they put into making it an experience for the listener, something that 99% of bands that receive heavy radio airplay do not do. I hate to sound like a fanboy because I'm not, but I think Tool's positives far outweigh their negatives.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 00:22 |
I feel like i should like them considering their charcteristics ,but i cant. Their cover of no quarter was pretty decent though there is a chord which sounds disgusting on it which almost ruins it.
I think my problem is the vocals though i respect them musicaly i think i just find them a bit dull & cliched
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t d wombat
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 22:58 |
explodingjosh wrote:
"Third Eye" is a great track, but is not at all mellow, its pretty much a powerhouse track ending in a polyrithmic crash and bang. I would recommend "Disposition", "Reflection" and "The Patient" from Lateralus. The Patient is very ... patient, slow and mellow but it crescendos about halfway through into their heavier sound.... it might actually be a good track to get you more comfortable with their heavyness, since it's tastefully used.
I would also recommend "Intension" and "Right in Two" from 10k days, but Right in Two behaves like The Patient.
IMO all very enjoyable.
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Thanks for the info. So it looks like Lateralus is the album to start off with. Let's see how we go.
Zounds !! Listening to The Patient as I type. Probably a tad heavy for these tired old ears to really get into but wow, this almost makes me want to be young again. No doubt it's good stuff.
Edited by t d wombat - August 21 2007 at 23:17
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explodingjosh
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 22:35 |
t d wombat wrote:
From what I've heard thus far, and that is limited, bands like Tool and The Mars Volta are a bit to thashy bass and drums for my tastes. By that I simply mean I find the dominance of the bass and drums obscures anything else. That is said from the perspective of an old fart who readily acknowledges that as he's aged his taste in music has mellowed somewhat.
My nephew , who is a big fan of both T and TMV, has suggested I start with a track called "Third Eye".
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"Third Eye" is a great track, but is not at all mellow, its pretty much a powerhouse track ending in a polyrithmic crash and bang. I would recommend "Disposition", "Reflection" and "The Patient" from Lateralus. The Patient is very ... patient, slow and mellow but it crescendos about halfway through into their heavier sound.... it might actually be a good track to get you more comfortable with their heavyness, since it's tastefully used. I would also recommend "Intension" and "Right in Two" from 10k days, but Right in Two behaves like The Patient. IMO all very enjoyable.
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t d wombat
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 21:12 |
From what I've heard thus far, and that is limited, bands like Tool and The Mars Volta are a bit to thashy bass and drums for my tastes. By that I simply mean I find the dominance of the bass and drums obscures anything else. That is said from the perspective of an old fart who readily acknowledges that as he's aged his taste in music has mellowed somewhat.
My nephew , who is a big fan of both T and TMV, has suggested I start with a track called "Third Eye".
Any thoughts ??
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