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Posted: June 27 2006 at 11:52

What if you combined And Then There Were Three and Duke.

So from ATTWT you could try
Down And Out
Snowbound
Burning Rope
Deep In The Motherlode
The Lady Lies

Duke you could put in
Duchess
Guide Vocal (just cause it fits in with the suite)
Heathaze
Cul-de-sac
Duke's Travels
Duke's End

and if you really wanted to, Behind the Lines

But I'd dig that album

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Posted: June 27 2006 at 03:47

QUOTE=70sSoundquality]WHAT A GREAT ALBUM. My favorite Genesis piece!!

A+++++++++

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Posted: June 27 2006 at 03:19

Fragile wrote:

Absoloute drivel.

Thankyou for that insight. Would you care to expand on this a little??

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 23:04

What did I say? " We can't afford to be too blinkered in our views now IMO."

It certainly seems that some of us can, does it not ?

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 22:09

Fragile wrote:

Absoloute drivel.

I agree.

When I got this album in 1978 I knew an Era had passed. Genesis were not Genesis anymore, & never were again.

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:45

Post Hackett, from most liked to least liked: Duke > And then there were there > Abacab > Calling all stations > Genesis > Invisible Touch > We can't dance.

I find And then there were three very good, now that the remasters actually come with bass on them it's even better, the lp versions were too compressed to fit the 50 minutes plus of music on them. I actually like Follow You, F. M. as it brings back many memories, but as most here are prog-snobs that song will of course be called "trash" by most of them (makes them feel superior, I guess).

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:36

On the whole, I prefer it to Duke. There's some genuinely good songwriting on there, even if it's Hacketless and doesn't delve into overt proggery. I especially like the little down-and-up figure after "Poor little Nemo!" - that's the bit that got me to listen to the album at all, back in the day.

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:30

It's a good album. Some great songs, some not. Duke is much better though.

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:20

Absoloute drivel.

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:09

Duke is something of a curiosity as it contains prog and pop material as well as 'filler'.The prog stuff like Dukes Travels is superb but then there are some very boring ballads that do nothing for me at all.

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Agreed. It seems theywere partly working on a concept album ( The first track, duchess , guide vocal, duke's travel and duke's end ) but then broke the concept up with pop tracks ( incidentally please don't ask is a gem ) and filler material. It is quite long for those times at fifty five minutes. Genesis were a band that very much followed the trends of the day and so maybe at this time they were uncertain which direction the music industry were going.

But by Abacab we are starting to get into a decade of huge corporate profits at the expense of artistic merit , the total dumbing down of society with Aaron Spelling TV, blow wave , mullet and Annie Lennox haircuts, MTV, drum machines, computerised goo,the new romantics, rap and the ubiquitous Phil Collins as the music scene. The triumph of style over substance if ever a decade sucked it was this one.

Edited by Losendos - June 26 2006 at 21:31

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 05:19

richardh wrote:

Blacksword wrote:

richardh wrote:

Its an album I've liked for a long time.Banks,Rutherford and Collins had plenty to prove after the departure of Hackett.It was just after punk was changing the face of the musical landscape.It really could have gone tits up but the remaining G Boys come out swinging for me.Ultra tight playing with a production that highlights the patented Genesis wall of sound and most importantly some cracking songs.A great mixture of 'commercial' radio friendly songs and short classic epics this album works beautifully.Its the last Genesis album I can happily listen to in its entirety.Duke showed a few too many cracks and the dam burst when they made the excrement of Abacab.

This echoes my feelings about this album. This was the first Genesis album I heard in its entirity, on a tape cassette, hired from the library. It's a great album, full of strong melodies and memorable songs. It's the perfect bridge between 'WAW' and 'Duke' I have to disagree about Duke, though. I think it's their last excelent album! [IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle>

It's a four star album for me, but there is some pop on there that stops me awarding that fifth star. 'Misunderstanding' 'Alone Tonight' and 'Please Dont Ask' were all an unfortunate indicator of what was to come..

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 02:09

Blacksword wrote:

This echoes my feelings about this album.

This was the first Genesis album I heard in its entirity, on a tape cassette, hired from the library. It's a great album, full of strong melodies and memorable songs. It's the perfect bridge between 'WAW' and 'Duke'

I have to disagree about Duke, though. I think it's their last excelent album!

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 02:06

That "progression" of Genesis from prog to pop took a big step with ATTW3....the songs are shorter, sharper and more succint. Doesn't make it better album for me...I've always liked my Genesis longer, dreamier and a bit more winding. Still, a solid three star album that points toward the next (and I think much better) Duke.

Though Banks may have said it's their least satisfying album, some of his personal fave Genesis work comes from this LP....he even revisited ...Undertow on his first solo album.

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....

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Posted: June 26 2006 at 01:01

CHICAPAH and I were obviously doing the same thing at about the same time at either ends of the globe ie. trying to get into ATTW3 at the time of it's release. I had been to the UK and had returned home after seeing GENESIS live in London in 77 after the release of W&W. It was one of the best concerts I have seen and I had high expectations notwithstanding the obvious.

While my disappointment was also palpable I have managed to be more objective about it. The disappointment was also due to the inevitable consequences of the part disintegration of the band as well as impressions of this new release.

Where I differ with CHICAPAH is that I, like many others, don't think it's bad. Many other contributors have well highlighted why it is not a bad album at all. Many of us viewed it [and judged it] in the context of what had preceded it .What else were we to do but the winds of change were picking up their intensity, not only with GENESIS, but in progressive rock in general and, like so many others, I didn't much like what I was hearing or seeing. But I lent the album to a mate who was still very new to GENESIS and vice-versa back then and he loved it and, as far as I know, still does. And I think that's the whole point here .Taken on it's own, it's a very good album.

We can't afford to be too blinkered in our views now IMO. Those of us who haven't really listened to the album for a long time [and I mean REALLY listened to it] could do well to re-appraise things as far ATTW3 is concerned .[How far you want to take it though with subsequent releases is entirely up to each and every one of you including ,of course,whether you think my views are also excrement-like]!

Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 23:03

I have always had mixed feelings about this album . By late 78 prog was getting tired with the public so they clearly tried to make an album that was non prog ( No mystical lyrics, no solos , no long pieces, no real atmospherics, no multi layered sounds,no long tracks , little creativity and definetly not a concept album). It was a big disappointment at the time. Over the years I've softened somewhat about it and come to recognise the high standard of songwriting.

If you combine the strong parts of ATTW3 with the good points of Hackett's spectral mornings you would have a true masterpiece.One album is strong exactly where the other is weak. Thus it was a great tragedy that Hackett left

Overall I prefer Duke which I think was more of an attempt to bring back prog.

During the second wind that arrived for prog in 1983 ( Crises, Eye in the Sky , 90125 , the rise of Marillion) Genesis also had something of an attempt at prog with the Genesis (shapes album) .

But I agree with RichardH about Abacab which is lame and the writer who said they had completely given up on Invisible Touch both of which I think it is best to avoid.

On the Genesis website Tony Banks says that ATTW3 is for him personally the least satisfying of all their albums and Phil Collins says that it is only good in bits and pieces witha couple of good tracks. So the feelings of disappointment that some of the fans have might be shared with the band members.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 11:16

ATTWT is one of those albums that really divides Genesis fans. As far as I'm concerned it's a true prog effort, and considering the loss of Steve Hackett, must have been difficult to put together.

Mike Rutherford did once say that, after Steve leaving, they all made a concerted effort to prove themselves as individual writers. If you look at the credits for that album you'll see that Tony Banks wrote four songs on his own: Undertow, Burning Rope, Many too Many and The Lady Lies. Rutherford wrote Snowbound, Deep in the Motherlode and Say it's alright Joe. The remaining songs were group efforts. Rutherford said it was an insecure time, but by the time they recorded Duke they were back to writing virtually all material as a group. An approach they favoured from then on.

I think ATTWT is a brilliant album, which allowed Rutherford in particular to prove himself, both as writer and guitarist. It was an important period in their history, but for me it was a tragedy what happened to them after 'Duke'

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 10:52

W&W... GREAT ALBUM! Clap

NOT THE BEST OF THE COLLINS ERA (SECONDS OUT, W&W & ATOTT WERE MORE PROGRESSSIVE).

BUT ONE OF THEM, ALONG GENESIS, CAS, W&W & THREE SIDES LIVE (REALLY GOOD ALBUMS.)

IT HAS A ATMOSPHERE SUCH SIMILAR TO W&W -MELANCHOLIC AND VERY BRITISH-, IN SPITE OF FACT OF BEING MORE SHORT AND SIMPLE TRACKS, FOR INFLUENCE OF THE PUNK IN THE WHOLE MUSIC OF THAT MOMENT. Smile

(I THINK THAT CAS HAS A SIMILAR ATMOSPHERA LIKE THOSE...)

AND THE ALBUM HAS A GOOD GUITAR WORK OF MR. RUTHERFORD ON ELECTRIC LEAD GUITARS, PROBABLY THE BEST OF HIM.

IT IS REALLY COOL, I LIKE SO MUCH THE MOST "PROGGIE" SONGS (DOWN AND OUT, BURNING ROPE, DEEP INTO THE MOTHER LODE, FOR EXAMPLE), AND THE BALLADS (LIKE UNDERTOW, MANY TO MANY, SNOWBOUND...)

FOLLOW YOU, FOLLOW ME IS NOT MY CUP OF TEA Dead

, BUT I CAN LISTEN TO IT Embarrassed

(SOME TIMES...).

AND WITHOUT THIS SONG, MIKE'S "DIGITAL GUITAR CUTS" HAD NEVER EXISTED, AND -IN CONSEQUENCE- MAYBE MIKE & THE MECHANICS HAD NOT BEEN FORMED EITHER...

Edited by Prog-man - June 25 2006 at 10:58

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 10:14

I actually prefer ATTWT to the previous effort Wind and Wuthering because of the stronger compositions, even though the former is more of a proggish-pop-A.O.R. album compared to the more typical symphonic progressive of WAW.

However, neither come close to the majesty of the 1970-1975 era of genesis. Trick of the Tail was their last great LP in my opinion.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 09:59

I happen to like Duke as well (only slightly less than ATTWT), and agree that it was the last truly listenable Genesis album (though Invisible Touch did have Tonight Tonight and the truly brilliant Domino suite to recommend it...)

Many people may not be aware that Duke was written by Collins during the break-up of his marriage. This was the impetus behind much of the lyrics (Guide Vocal being particularly poignant), and, to my mind, one of the things that holds the album together; i.e., the raw emotion that was coming from Collins' real-life experience.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 04:32

This echoes my feelings about this album.

This was the first Genesis album I heard in its entirity, on a tape cassette, hired from the library. It's a great album, full of strong melodies and memorable songs. It's the perfect bridge between 'WAW' and 'Duke'

I have to disagree about Duke, though. I think it's their last excelent album!

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