Phil Collins ... A Prog Legend

ivan,...  may be michael jackson a little bit odd.

but you can take a look at britney spear or mariah carey,..

they both very famous now, i mean TOP !!!

but i think none of them better than three guys that we've been talking about.

am i right or wrong ???

heheheheh

 

Not time GOM, merits, since his career in Genesis ended, Steve has done 18 albums, most of them Prog, and all except one outstanding, while Phil as a soloist almost forgot the drums to become a POP singer.

 

Steve's career is almost impeccable, something we can't say about Phil's, at least from a prog point of view.

 

Originally posted by Ghost_of_Morphy   You've got to be kidding me, right?  Out of Genesis alone, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins have both experienced much more success.

 

Phil didn't had a Prog career, he might had success as a Pop balladist, but not as a Prog artist.

 

Peter had a very eclectic career, some Prog, some not, very good, I love his music, just look at my avatar, but not really Prog.

 

Steve may had less success, but artistically is inmense.....How many Prog artists have been praised by Yehudi Menuhim and chosen one of his albums to be the background of hs goodbye program?...Only one Steve Hackett.

 

Both may have been more successful, because complex Prog is usually not successful, but Phil's career was pure top 40 stuff, Peter's career is ecellent even when eclectic, but from a Prog perspective, Steve is way ahead most ex- big 5 members.

 

Michael Jackson was more successful than the three together, but is he better?

 

Iván

 

 

 

Specious.    Collins may not plade high in such a poll now, but if you took a time machine back to the era I specified he definitely would have.  And I doubt Hackett would have done so well back then also.  How time does color our memories....

 

 

Well, as long as I see, Collins has won no drummer poll, but Hacket has won more than one, facing Fripp and Howe, thetoughest competitors).

 

Not that this is too important, but lets not be unfair with Steve, I know he's unpopular utside, Trolling Stones hardly ever mentions him (They even credit Eddie Van Halen as the first Rock guitarist who adapted the Tapping Technique to Rock, when Steve did it 10 years before), but here also?

 

Along with Rick Wakeman, Steve is probably the most successful Big 5 band member with a solo career.

 

Steve won his status of Prog Legend with his solo albums (18 if I'm not wrong, and almost all outstanding), because what he did in Genesis was as part of a team.

 

Phil Collins is a great drummer, influential or whatever, but as a soloist, he gained no Prog Legend status, as Mike Rutherford in the bass, (who played in more Genesis albums than Phil and was a pioneer in the double neck guitar and Moog Taurus Pedals)

 

But INDIVIDUALLY neither Phil or Mike are Prog Legends (Despite Mike recorded "Smallcreep's Day), because they didn't gained this status, by the contrary, Phil made his solo career only as a POP composer and performer.

 

So lets put things in their place.

 

Cheers

 

Iván

 

 

tobe a prog legend, you need to have a good prog songs.

i don't think either phil collins have that one,..

Gabriel only related to prog,..

 

but the only one who has a prog skill in genesis is hackett,..

i've heard so many master pieces from hackett,..

his riff & cord is progressive,..

and also he has a good prog songs,..

 

so,..

i preffered to choose hackett as a prog legend rather than phil collins.

 

 

Anyway on a different note, for anyone I was discussing Phil's solo career with earlier in the thread, I bought Face Value off Amazon and it arrived this morning. Went to college and when I got back I gave it a few listens though. I quite enjoy it, it's nice to see Phil didn't instantly jump into a completely commercial solo career the first chance he got, songs like In The Air Tonight, The Roof Is Leaking and Hand In Hand have some serious Prog-cred in my opinion. I actually think as a whole I'd rather listen to this album than Abacab or Genesis '83, I'm certain I'd take this one over Invisible Touch. I can't stop playing the funked up version of Behind The Lines, I've had it on repeat so many times I just went back to the original and it sounded odd and slow. Haha. I know his next release had You Can't Hurry Love On and seems there's certainly a shift towards commercialism there but I don't think Phil deserves the hammering he takes as a solo artist, not for Face Value anyway, if the guy had carried on in this vein I honestly think he'd probably be in the ProgArchives database now. So yeah no regrets on buying Face Value and I'm not embarrassed to own it... although I will keep it out of sight of my Dad, I don't think he'd appreciate knowing I have it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.- Yes, he's a legendary drummer

2.- Yes, he's a Pop legend

3.- Yes, he's a Prog legend as member of Genesis and Brand X.

4.- No he's not a Prog legend as soloist, because he didn't recorded a single Prog album, as simple as that.

 

If somebody asked Is Bob Dylan a Prog Legend? I would answer no in the same way, because he never recorded a Prog album. But he's a legendary musician, credited  by many as the starter of Psychedelia.

 

Not being a Prog legend takes nothing from Dylan's or Collins career, simply specifies in what genre they developed.

 

Too many people believe that Prog is an award that only good musicians achieve, well, it's not, there are terrible Prog musicians and excellent mainstream artists.

 

Iván