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Poll Question: Three votes please!
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Who said "dreadful"...? - Last

Easy Money: Dead Kennedys are known to me, but were never really my thing (like most of Punk in general). The intro here is wonderful, but once the singing starts I'm less at ease. Great guitar riffs, though, and some surprising sound effects... I like the playfulness in this song and the echo-y production.

dr wu23: Wax Doll by Robyn Hitchcock starts of nicely with acoustic guitar and vocals before turning into a very pleasant pop-rock song with some orchestral touches. Not typical 80s to my ears (timeless!) and a very good listen. Steve Earle somehow is a major country-rock reference, but I must admit that I don't know much from him. I have to change that, because this really is a fantastic song! Great melody, great energy and very nice instrumentation, build-up and playing! Graham Parker is another big name, but here with a, imo, rather conventional (and typical 80s sounding, but that is not a complaint) pop rock song - the least interesting of the three to my ears.

Lewian: I vaguely remember Spliff, but not this song. We are in similar territory as with my Nena and Goede Doel suggestions, so you might guess that I like it. Unheimisch too, also reflected by the anti-war lyrics. Typical NDW, but with their own signature and great songwriting (both music and lyrics!). Great song! Herbergsvater by Joachim Witt starts off with that disco-dance-beat that I hate but then subtly merges into a more minimalist, angry, indeed dada-ist stance, which makes it quite fascinating. He must be crazy, but it's actually quite brilliant! Never heard of C Cat Trance and with They Made Them Up they indeed bring us into trance. A subtle start with the saz but then the funky bass and the very tight percussion kick in and don't let us go anymore. Very effective! Listened again to Fehlfarben and Black, but I prefer these three over them two.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2021 at 03:21
Lorenzo: Very good read! Of course as a German in Italy I particularly appreciate the lessons on the Italian scene!
BTW: I have reached the Nick Cave song now and it's up to now surely in the top 3 if not the best. For some reason I don't have much Nick Cave but I've seen him live and some more live shows on TV and youtube. He is great as a performer. His studio work I find hit and miss, but he can do real magic when he's at his best.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2021 at 03:17
The Gnags this time are the champions of Denmark. Wasn't much impressed by what I had heard from them earlier, but this one is very good straight and sharp music with a twist, which are eighties qualities that I appreciate a lot.
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Will be a bit until I get this far (moving this weekend), but oooooooh!  A saz!  Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2021 at 18:36
Sorry, I didn't plan to post an overall of 5 songs and of course you don't need to listen to them all, but I failed narrowing these three down to a single one, so I torment you with all of them (even though it will be hard to take the final nomination way from Fehlfarben).

Spliff won over Germany 1980-82 with professionalism, top production values as rarely seen before in our country, and high quality song writing. They actually had some good experience as Ex-Nina Hagen band behind them. Here's Glaspalast. (I googled Spliff Glaspalast Lyrics and google gave me the lyrics with translation button, but I don't seem to be able to link that.)
Joachim Witt (Hamburg! Big smile) was a proper Neue Deutsche Welle singer, one of the most original ones, and furthermore ennobled  by the contribution of legendary Can drummer Jaki Liebezeit. The lyrics of this one (Tri Tra Trullala/Herbergsvater) are proper da-da. "Stop it children, you are silly. I'm your youth hostel director and say hey hey." (Music starts at 0:51.)
The last one is another English one, with Arabian influences. I think that C Cat Trance are not very well known although I think they had a minor hit at some point. Here's They Made Them up.
 


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The 1980's
(third part)


1984, in Italy, was still a year full of albums by songwriters, melodic groups like Pooh, and pop groups. No big news. At the level of foreign singers, it was the year of Sade (music that interested me only for the beauty of the singer) and Steve Wonder (I just called to say I love You), plus Paul Young, Queen, Wham, Lionel Richie, all singers who were in the charts with commercial 45s that were very easy listening (and musically bad), and Bronski Beat with Smalltown Boy, I liked that song. Thinking about that year, there were Phil Collins with Against All Odds and Talk Talk with It's my life album (both good commercial music), and Yes' 90125, a wonderful album, but I didn't notice them at the time. 

The main event for me was the first tape. A friend of mine made it to me. Incredible, he listened to the Beatles. My first tape was a 90 minute BASF containing most of the songs from the Beatles red album and some from the blue album. At the end he managed to add Mrs Robinson and The Boxer by Simon and Garfunkel.

My first tape! I should have kept it as an heirloom!

In short, starting with the Beatles now you will understand why I wrote the reviews to all their albums! The love stories of adolescence are never forgotten! In addition, I continued to follow them, to read every book about them, including the mammoth Anthology.

Thanks to them and Simon and Garfunkel, I can say that I started from the abc of pop music. My peers sang refrains of Italian melodic commercial songs, I sang, twenty years late, She Loves You, Yeh, Yeh, Yeh, and Lailalà, Lailalalà lailalà, Lailalà taken from The Boxer.

- to be continued




Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 19 2021 at 18:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2021 at 17:30
I'm listening my way through the suggestions (EBN/OZN have emerged as a surprise favourite, oh, and Iets van Gevoel - the Phew track is also great but I have that album). Let's collect final nominations until end Sunday; I'd like to have the list of things to vote on together end of Monday at the latest.


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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - "Forest Fire"  Love this extended version....

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Mike, yours didn't work for me, is this the same one?

[video removed for space]

Nickie,

That one works great.  If anyone else can't use the one I posted, then use this one.

Thanks Nickie!!!!!!
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Thumbs Up  Works! Thanks.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ The third one doesn't show up for me. What's the artist/band and title? I will try to find a working alternative...
Fixed it...Graham Parker..Get Started Start A fire
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^ The third one doesn't show up for me. What's the artist/band and title? I will try to find a working alternative...

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A few  things I listened to back in the day..still a fan of all of them...








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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2021 at 10:06
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - "Forest Fire"  Love this extended version....

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Mike, yours didn't work for me, is this the same one?

[video removed for space]

Nickie,

That one works great.  If anyone else can't use the one I posted, then use this one.

Thanks Nickie!!!!!!

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Oh, silly me... I read Halloween and I thought Helloween. It must be something pavlovian... Sleepy
So you did some "contact tracing"... Very much in vogue these times.

there are a few bands named Halloween, that's why the Germans called themselves HElloween. I know there was a French heavy metal band named Halloween. LOL
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^ Oh, silly me... I read Halloween and I thought Helloween. It must be something pavlovian... Sleepy
So you did some "contact tracing"... Very much in vogue these times.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:


Rushfan4: Ah, rock 'n roll! Good idea to go local, too. Bitter Sweet Alley is nice, but as I said earlier, there were so many very good (hard) rock bands in the 80s and this one doesn't stand out (a bit too common, imo). Seduce deliver the need-for-speed hard rock that never really appealed to me, how impressive the playing might be... The Almighty Strut (Rambo is singing!) suffer here from the bad sound quality, but this is not one for me either, and the Helloween track is not the best they have done in the 80s - I like some of their work, especially in the 80s (we talked about them in an earlier poll), but not this one. From these I prefer the Bitter Sweet Alley song.
The last track is actually from a local band called Halloween, which is different than Helloween.  They used to play live shows from them on Halloween here on local radio.  I think they may have a connection with New York too.  They are a three degrees of separation band, as my sister went to school with the sister of one of the band members.  
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - "Forest Fire"  Love this extended version....

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Mike, yours didn't work for me, is this the same one?


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The 1080's
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In 1983 I discovered pop music. 

In Italy there were three types of musicians in the rankings. 

1) The heirs of the Pooh (here in Pa in the Prog-related category) that is groups that came from melodic music 

2) some songwriters heirs of Francesco Guccini (whose songs I posted here in the Int. Polls) and Fabrizio De Andrè (here on Pa in the prog related category, he recorded a live album with Pfm which is perhaps the best Italian live album), that is, folk songwriters, who then gradually contaminated their music 

3) melodic music singers, Sanremo Festival style (it is the most followed event on TV in Italy). 

The same Pooh, Guccini and De André were still in the standings in those years, with great successes.

Prog music had disappeared, because prog groups had turned into pop groups (like Genesis or Yes) but without much success. We must also consider that the Italian prog of the Seventies was a very politicized music, linked to the most radical circles of the extra-parliamentary Left. Even the fathers of the songwriters, Guccini and De André, both anarchists, were extremely politicized. So, just as the seventies were the years of progressive and folk songwriters, that is of politicized music, the eighties became the years of disengagement because progressive had disappeared and few songwriters continued the political vein of Guccini and De André.

There were also two cases. 

The first is Franco Battiato: in the seventies he was perhaps the most experimenter of all (a pupil of Stockhausen, his first albums are among the best prog albums, found here on PA). Battiato in the eighties writes dance pop songs with orchestral arrangement and non-sense lyrics with esoteric quotes, in practice he only knows what he is talking about: but he becomes with his albums La Voce del Padrone and L'Arca di Noè the best-selling ever. 

The second case is Vasco Rossi, the first Italian rocker who wrote a song in 1983, Vita spericolata (Reckless Life) under the banner of drug sex and rock and roll: He says he wants to have a reckless life like Steve McQueen and shortly after he is arrested for drug possession . Vasco Rossi will become the Italian rocker par excellence, his songs will go to the top of the charts for 40 years !!! Four generations of teenagers will follow him. Perhaps a worldwide case.

I started listening to these songs but to tell the truth I was not particularly interested in any Italian artist (only later I switched to Italian music songwriters and rock group).

In 1983 I discovered McCartney and Michael Jackson's Say Say Say, Jackson's Thriller (Billy Jean), Mike Oldfield's Moonlight Shadow, Every Breath You Take by The Police, the Culture Club, David Bowie (Let's Dance) and Peter Gabriel (Shock the Monkey), Supertramp and Toto (Africa was still in the rankings). Then there were other absurd pop songs like Gazebo's I like Chopin, which was a hit that year.

I wasn't old enough to buy an album yet but those names stuck in my mind and I followed them for years to come. 

I had discovered English pop music.

In short, on Sunday morning, after going to Holy Mass, I would return home, listen to Giuseppe Verdi's Traviata that my father used to put on the record player for the hundredth time Confused 

(on alternate Sundays there were: La Traviata - Rigoletto - La Traviata - Il Trovatore - La Traviata - Aida - La Traviata - Otello etc by Giuseppe Verdi and occasionally Turandot and Madama Butterfly by Giacomo Pucini)

But then in the afternoon there were music programs on TV where I listened to English pop. Smile


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And concluding with first page, thoughts on George's and suitkees' entries.

George:  The Call “The Woods”  As I’d said, I do know and love(d) this band.  Almost progressive in feel to me, this song has a passionate vocal, instrumentation that keeps one’s interest and thoughtful lyrics.  And a walk down memory lane next up, with The lost Boys “I Still Believe,” scene.  I used to live close enough to the Boardwalk to hear the screams of the roller coaster riders, although I was across the San Lorenzo River, on the Seabright side.  Followed by “Let the Day Begin.”  I have another memory also associated with this one, as we carried Al Gore on one of our buses during his campaign that year.  We got a special “after hours,” tour of the White House, on a visit to DC, this was just a bit before 9/11, when they shut down those tours.  Great rock song, I’m not naturally as attracted to upbeat songs, but this one is just infectious as all heck.  EBN/OZN “AEIOU Sometimes Y”   Squeegly bass and synths, with a rap tale of an almost-achieved one-night stand and a bit of a class session on languages and communication.  Funny the guy kinda reminded of DLR in the video, another “Hot For Teacher,” sort of setup, lol.  Followed by them again, with “Bag Lady (I Wonder)”  This one is a more socially conscious effort, the instrumentation and general sound is similar to the previous, although actually singing, instead of talking through lyrics.  Much prefer this.  The song in another setting could still be released today, sadly.  And yes!  I recognized Imogene Coca, hadn’t read that yet, before I started up the video.

suitkees:  Nena “Satellitenstadt”  Never heard the album before, so interested in hearing something other than the huge hit, thank you for the translation.  Sort of a mysterious sound to the song, I really like the guitarist’s tone.  There is also a “coolness,” in her voice, that many of the 80’s bands had, which goes well with the idea of a satellite in space (at least for me).  The synths also are well-done, but it’s the guitar that grabs my attention here.  Het Goede Doel  “België (Is er leven op Pluto)”  This one has a more upbeat sound to it than the previous.  Synth and drum-driven, again the signature sound of the era.  This one is kind of spoken, but the chorus is sung.  I like the vocalist, when he’s singing.  Thank you again for the lyrics, I find them kind of funny (esp that America “doesn’t exist,” lol).  The song has a light-hearted feel and I also enjoy the bass line.  Followed by “Iets van gevoel (Something of a Feeling)”  this one has a much heavier feel (as it should, from the lyrics).  The keys almost create a bagpipe sound and the bass is very heavy-handed.  This one has the vocalist speaking the words.  The chorus is again sung.  There are some really nice touches about half-way through, ear-catching glassy sounds on keys and reverb-y sounding something, that I can’t quite touch on.  Sad song, poor guy.  Cutting Crew “The Scattering”  Begins with bright sounding guitars and drums, with a march-like beat (and sorta bagpipe-y keys again).  Very capable sounding vocalist (which is later proven, as the song continues).  Good story-telling, easy to picture what he signs of, in your mind.  A wistful song, they go into a tin-whistle part and have a full chorus singing in a call and response partway through.  And conclude with the tin whistles, pipes and the full sound of the band, as it fades.  Very nicely done.   

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