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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:59 |
Pastmaster wrote:
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
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Yup, it's ridiculous. In fact, I saw a black guy complain about the whole BLM movement, and that's saying something. Also, the media only covers all the bad things done by the police and the like, when there a lot of great cops out there. The media also wants to sensationalize crimes against blacks, and probably ignores a lot of crimes against whites.
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IIRC, I remember someone saying that some of the news outlets were making the skin colors of George Zimmerman and the Boston Bombers whiter, most like to demonize whites for the former and downplay that the terrorists were minorities in the latter. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - November 13 2015 at 13:03
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Pastmaster
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:50 |
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
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Yup, it's ridiculous. In fact, I saw a black guy complain about the whole BLM movement, and that's saying something. Also, the media only covers all the bad things done by the police and the like, when there a lot of great cops out there. The media also wants to sensationalize crimes against blacks, and probably ignores a lot of crimes against whites.
Also, no that doesn't make you racist, I agree with you.
Edited by Pastmaster - November 13 2015 at 12:51
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:35 |
Gotcha.
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RayRo
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:29 |
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Vive Le France!!
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:27 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
ACADEMIA MACHT FREI
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Says the Pinochet fanboy.
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
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IMO, no, it does not.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - November 13 2015 at 12:29
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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RayRo
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:22 |
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Vive Le France!!
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 12:19 |
RayRo wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
There used to be a saying, "a liberal is only a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet"
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That's because the new saying is "a conservative is a liberal that's not yet been the victim of a hate crime." Strange how times change.
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Now everyone that hasn't been the victim of a "hate crime" is a victim of liberal media.
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RayRo
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 11:49 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
There used to be a saying, "a liberal is only a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet"
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That's because the new saying is "a conservative is a liberal that's not yet been the victim of a hate crime." Strange how times change.
Edited by RayRo - November 13 2015 at 12:17
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Vive Le France!!
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RayRo
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 11:44 |
BaldJean wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Well, pedophilia is naturally the default "negative side" of Gay sexuality. While I know that it's used for propaganda by some, I have meet some men who were molested as young boys and these people are emotionally shattered for life. Even a very sexually liberal thinking person like myself can have negative connotations towards it. |
this just goes to show how cultural norms can alter. in ancient Greece pedophilia was quite common. a marriage between a male adult and a girl of about 13 was perhaps not the norm but not uncommon either in many countries not too long ago. Goethe's "Faust" for example is about pedophilia since Gretchen is only 13
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Pedophilia is commonly defined as an adult's sexual obsession with children, and not exclusive to either men or women. Where this becomes a bit of a sticky wicket for me is where does one draw line between unwanted sex with a child as opposed to someone having sex with a young consenting adult. We could have long discussions about societal norms in different cultural settings about what constitutes the difference between a child and an adult. But from me, the key word in this discussion, for the moment, is consent. It's the forcing of someone into a sex act that causes the emotional damage. The men I spoke of were molested by clergymen. It's not important to me to state they're religion. What is important to me is explain that the young molested men, who very little insight to any views of God or religion of their own, were made to feel, by persuasion from the clergymen, that their God would not love them if they did not perform these unwanted sex acts. I'm not going to pretend to be a psychologist and explain the confusion and emotional anguish of these young men, but I would like to call attention now to the phrase consenting adult, as it's less likely that an adult can be coerced into engaging in an unwanted sex act. Lines have to be drawn somewhere. Edit: Spelling.
Edited by RayRo - November 13 2015 at 12:35
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 11:42 |
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
Edited by garfunkel - November 13 2015 at 11:45
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The T
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 08:40 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Besides, everybody knows there's no Klan in Canada. Closest thing we've got is, like, the hutterites.
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Oh the US has no problems exporting idiocy. Even though, again, I though Canada was slightly more enlightened.
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The T
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 08:39 |
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The T
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 08:38 |
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How about we just say that all lives matter. |
Sounds nice but in the US at least you usually don't get killed while "driving while white" or "walking on the street alone while white" or, yes, even "open carrying with a permit while white". You get killed if you do any of those things and you're black. So it's only normal that the movement tries to protect those targeted by the criminals police. And tries to in general make society aware of institutional racism that goes even beyond the cop-related events.
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A Person
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 07:58 |
Pastmaster wrote:
How about we just say that all lives matter. |
Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African American community, that campaigns against violence toward black people. BLM regularly organizes protests around the deaths of black people in killings by law enforcement offers, and broader issues of racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 07:26 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Or is it that you think slaves who couldn't read or write invented mathematics?
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I would love to see your reckoning of the history of mathematics.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 07:25 |
Ah I've missed seeing Dean's beat downs. Bringing up something which can be objectively measured is just throwing it into his wheelhouse.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Dean
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 01:15 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
My lack of historical knowledge? You think Egypt was ruled by Africans?
::snip::
Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy center, iGENEA, have
reconstructed the DNA profile of King Tut, his father Akhenaten and
grandfather Amenhotep III.
Researchers discovered that King Tut
belonged to a genetic profile group known as haplogroup R1b1a2. More
than 50 per cent of all men in Western Europe belong to this genetic
group as do up to 70 per cent of British men. But among modern-day
Egyptians, less than 1 per cent of residents belong to this haplogroup,
according to scientists.
King Tut and Europeans share a common
ancestor genetically who lived in the Caucasus region, the blue-eyed
race spreading out with agricultural about 9,500 years ago. |
::snipp::
Or is it that you think slaves who couldn't read or write invented mathematics?
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Are you naive, gullible, disingenuous or just hell-bent on seeing what you want to see?
Let's take a closer look at the "evidence" from the iGENEA website:
In the year 2009 extended DNA-tests had been carried out with the mummy of Tutankamun and other members for his family. These have only partially been published in February 2010. Despite several demands, the results of the Y-DNA tests have been shut away |
Hmm... so "Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy center, iGENEA, have reconstructed the DNA profile of King Tut, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III." doesn't quite ring true does it.
If the 'scientists' at iGENEA have reconstructed the DNA profile of Tutankhamun et al then why are they whining that the Y-chromosome DNA data has not been published? The answer to that is iGENEA didn't perform the DNA tests on King Tut and his two paternal ancestors and they did not have access to the DNA results. The DNA tests were funded by the Discovery Channel and performed in a specially constructed lab in Egypt by Carsten Pusch a researcher from University of Tübingen in Germany. They didn't share any of their data with iGENEA... so let's have another look at the iGENEA website:
iGENEA was able to reconstruct the Y-DNA profile of Tutankhamun, his father Akhenaten and his grandfather Amenhotep III with the help of a recording of the Discovery Channel. |
...has that sunk in yet? If not then read that last bit again: "with the help of a recording of the Discovery Channel"...
...That's not science. That's not research. That's couch-potato pseudoscience. But it's even worse than that:
But working for the cameras did make a challenging project even tougher, says Pusch. "Each time they came in to film, we had to close the lab for a week to clean." Eventually the TV crew was banished and the lab scenes reconstructed. |
So the TV programme that iGENEA reconstructed the DNA profile from was itself a reconstruction. They cannot be sure that the data they saw on the screen was King Tut's, or even data produced in the real lab in Egypt.
When scientific data produces results that are way off the mark then the first step in any analysis is to determine whether that glitch is real or whether it is the result of error. In this instance, where cleanliness of the lab environment has known to have been compromised on several occasions then error has a high probability, especially when the research staff and most of the film crew would have been of Caucasian descent.
Also, since the lab scenes in the TV programme were reconstructions then the graphic data shown on screen could be from anyone. When setting-up a new lab to research rare and very valuable samples then they would have done extensive "dry-runs" using other samples, probably their own or that of the film crew. Therefore it's possible that the results shown on the screen was one of those samples rather than Tutankhamun's because for the sake of a reconstruction for TV audiences it really didn't matter to the production staff whose DNA results they showed.
However, either way iGENEA never actually analysed the actual DNA data from Tutankhamun or any of his ancestors, yet for £369 ($747 Canadian) they will analyse my DNA to see if I have a profile that matches 70% of the UK population... Sweet
For balance, a cherry-picked image of Tutankhamun without blue-eyes and fair skin:
Edited by Dean - November 13 2015 at 11:18
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What?
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 01:00 |
Besides, everybody knows there's no Klan in Canada. Closest thing we've got is, like, the hutterites.
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Vompatti
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 00:52 |
The T wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
The day the ebt runs out will be an interesting one, that's for sure
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Why woulnd't they? I wasn't even asked which political organizations I'm a member of when I signed up. Maybe now it's different?
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 00:41 |
The T wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
The day the ebt runs out will be an interesting one, that's for sure
| Damn I never knew ProgArchives allowed klansmen as members... |
You've got all sorts of problems with psychological projection
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