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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 15:03 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I was going to mention him but being an ex-drummer (even if I was just an average one), I notice some things that non drummers don't. He has a great talent, good style and enough strength(not too much even though) but IMO has a poor feet work.
This (again IMHO) disqualifies him as a top drummer because feet work is very important for a drummer.
Iván
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a lot of my drummer friends always talk about feet work, double bass.. etc. although many would think that death and thrash metal drummers like Lombardo (slayer - Testament) are the best in feet work but i think the best feet work drummer is Portnoy (dream thatre)
i'd like to know what do Ivan and vibrationbaby think about this. 
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when i sell my life story, maybe i should write it first and do the living later 'cause life is so much cleaner on the page
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 14:21 |
I am a drummer myself and the only prog drummer I am afraid of is Bruford. Peart I could blow away.Easily.
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Focussed
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 08:40 |
Menswear:
Re: Your NOT Prog rock drummers nominations. I couldn't agree more, especially Stewart Copeland and Keith Moon. Excellent choices. I used to think Copeland had a bit of a Neil Peart thing going on. Very tight and metronomic (great word, dont you think! - and how NP once described himself, and said he was trying to loosen up)
Dont know much about the Cranberries drummer, but I have liked most of what I have heard of their music.
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Focussed
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 08:32 |
1 - Neil Peart (Rush)
2 - Phil Collins (Genesis)
3 - John Bonham (Led Zep)
4 - Ian Paice (Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Gary Moore group etc..)
5 - Animal (Muppets)
There are many drummers who play like demons, but not so many who are easilly recognisable through their sound and style. The above - not including the muppet, who I admire purely on grounds of Charisma and probable success with the opposite sex - are all instantly recognisable. Their contribution to their bands was always an integral part of the overal band sound.
I have tried to get into Bill Bruford, but have difficulty. I went to see his band, Earthworks at an art centre about 10 years ago, and could see he was very good. However, there are moments on 'Red' by KC, where he almost loses it in the opening title track, and you can hear him obviously struggling to keep time, whilst changing rhythm. Sorry, BB fans.
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richardh
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 02:11 |
Interesting comment about the 'feet work' Ivan.Whose the best in this respect? Neil Peart?...Bill Bruford? Carl Palmer was exceptional with the snare drum but less so with the bass drum which he used more in a percussive way.Peart was the first drummer I heard who could really manipulate a bass drum to the 'nth degree', a good example being the Permanant Waves album.But then BB's work with Chris Squire on the Fragile album is also great IMO.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 01:22 |
Menswear wrote:
I'm sorry but I have to vote for Mattias Olsson He just blows my friggin' mind off. In Hybris, he was only 18! For the love of god, what talent. |
I was going to mention him but being an ex-drummer (even if I was just an average one), I notice some things that non drummers don't. He has a great talent, good style and enough strength(not too much even though) but IMO has a poor feet work.
This (again IMHO) disqualifies him as a top drummer because feet work is very important for a drummer.
Iván
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Menswear
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 22:08 |
Drummers are mostly the coolest musician to watch. Some are stylish, some are more reserved. But, many bands are crummy if you take off the cool drummer.
So the nomitations are:
PROGRESSIVE ROCK
1) Hans Bathelt---Triumvirat
2) Neil Peart----Rush
3) Pierre Van der Linden----Trace, Focus
4) Mattias Olsson----Anglagard
5) Phil Collins----Genesis, Brand X
I'm sorry but I have to vote for Mattias Olsson He just blows my friggin' mind off. In Hybris, he was only 18! For the love of god, what talent.
NOT PROGRESSIVE ROCK
1) Keith Moon---The Who
2) Fergal Lawler---The Cranberries
3) Stewart Copeland---The Police
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benny bouncer
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 16:51 |
CARL PALMER NO DOUBT Followed by Bill Brufford
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diddy
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 14:49 |
Joren wrote:
I didn't know that! Also on "Inner Mounting Flame"?
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Yep...
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Joren
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 14:35 |
I didn't know that! Also on "Inner Mounting Flame"?
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diddy
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 14:01 |
Joren wrote:
headboy wrote:
Mr Billy Cobham!!  |
I saw him once on Mezzo (French music television)... he played a song called "Red Baron"... awesome! He also played with Miles Davis, right?
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He was a member of the Mahavishnou Orchestra as well...
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
George Orwell
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lucas
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 12:56 |
Once again, the best current drummer is VIRGIL DONATI. But there are loads of other great drummers : Bill Bruford, Phil Collins, Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Steve Negus, Ian Mosley, Nick D'Virglio, Rod Morgenstein, Mike Portnoy, Mark Zonder, Billy Cobham, Phil Ehart, Pip Pyle, Pierre Moerlen, Gary Husband, Vinnie Colaiuta, Chad Wackerman, Jerry Marotta, the late Jeff Porcaro, Robert Wyatt, Christian Vander, John Marshall, Tony Williams, Michael Giles, Simon Phillips, Hal Aponte (Ice Age), Andy Ward, Guy Evans, Carl Palmer, Nick Mason, Michi Dei Rossi (Le Orme), Marco Matteuzzi (Deus Ex Machina), Sean Reinhert, Barriemore Barlow, Chris Cutler, Paul Ramsey (Echolyn)
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Joren
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 12:32 |
headboy wrote:
Mr Billy Cobham!!  |
I saw him once on Mezzo (French music television)... he played a song called "Red Baron"... awesome! He also played with Miles Davis, right?
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Mysterio
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 12:17 |
Terry Bozzio... with Zappa, right? I remember his name.
By the way, Aquarius: yeah, Mike is way aweseome. I saw him
live twice, once with Dream Theater and once with The
Hammer of the Gods, a one-shot Led Zeppelin tribute band.
He did Moby dick  (not to mention Paul Gilbert doing the 20-
minute version of Dazed And Confused, violin bow and all...)
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"YOU SLEPT WITH MY WIFE!?"
"It was a threesome! ... Nobody slept!"
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Joren
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 11:31 |
I find Terry Bozzio really amazing! I just got his solo album " Drawing The Circle". Fantastic stuff! It sounds like he can play melodies with his kit... beautiful!
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headboy
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 10:14 |
Mr Billy Cobham!!
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diddy
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 05:25 |
DoomHammer wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
Neil Peart (Rush): Well.....he's Peart and that is enough.
Carl Palmer: Perfect drummer for a power trio, strong and fast, don't know if he would feel comfortable in a band with more members.
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plus Mike Portnoy of Dream theatre, he says he always look up to Neil Peart as his instructor.
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And now Modern Drummer Magazine included him in their Hall of Fame and he can't win the awards any longer...he won 10 times in a row I think...
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
George Orwell
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 05:11 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Neil Peart (Rush): Well.....he's Peart and that is enough.
Carl Palmer: Perfect drummer for a power trio, strong and fast, don't know if he would feel comfortable in a band with more members.
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plus Mike Portnoy of Dream theatre, he says he always look up to Neil Peart as his instructor.
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when i sell my life story, maybe i should write it first and do the living later 'cause life is so much cleaner on the page
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richardh
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 03:13 |
The usual suspects:
Carl Palmer (ELP)
Neil Peart (Rush)
Phil Collins (Genesis)
Alan White (Yes)
Bill Bruford (King Crimson and Yes)
Mike Portnoy (Liquid Tension Experiment,Transatlantic and Dream Theater)
Paul Cook (IQ)
All great prog drummers IMO.Probably Neil Peart has the most all round ability and has a style balanced nicely between the powerfull aggressive approach of Carl Palmer and the more subtle approach of Bill Bruford.
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 03:03 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Manu Katche (Peter Gabriel): Perfect style, watching him play you can't understand how he can be so loose and calm, plays with all the body and enjoys what he does.
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Pretty much distant from what he did with Sting (I enjoy listening to his performance in "Nothing like the sun", he's obviously in an upper level from Vinnie Colaiuta) and with Rick Wright ("Broken China")... and obviously, with CAMEL, unarguably amazing, simply outstanding! 
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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