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Poll Question: I love prog, and consider myself to be:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 14:40
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Rabble rabble rabble!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 11:24
Rabble rabble rabble!


Time always wins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 11:07
Yes it's disgusting. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 11:05
You libertarians hijack every thread remotely related to politics. It's so annoying. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 10:57
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by PyramidMeetsTheEye PyramidMeetsTheEye wrote:

dude you forgot vladimir ilich lenning,leon trotsky and few other bolshevists  that i cant remember now.  


Who? vladimir ilich lemming? Was he a suicidal mammal?

LOL

Lenning.... Pyramid, you have single-handedly turned leninism into a verb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 10:51
Just saw that a rocket hit close to Southern Israeli city, Eilat. The rocket was shot from the Egyptian border. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 10:29
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Extreme Center. 

Damn you took mine. I define myself as a center extremist. In a way I oppose political "leanings" because when you define yourself as something, your thinking might be warped by your self-definition. A la "I think this, but I'm this, therefore I will find a reason to think like that". 

The left-right situation here in Israel is f**king mental. On the one hand, we have the left wingers- stereo-typically, European descent, High class, doctors and lawyers and Hi-tech people, who believe in the return of the 1967 territories to the Palestinians and believe in a 2 state solution- a Jewish and an Arab state.

The right wingers here are- stereo-typically, Middle Eastern, lower class- who work in less "exclusive jobs" and such. They on the other hand will usually (and I use "usually" very loosely here)- believe in more "aggressive" approaches to the "Israeli-Palestinian" conflict. 

Now as you might have seen, the situation of what defines left or right barely actually has anything to do with something other than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and to a lesser extent these days- relations with our Arab neighboring countries.

There's barely enough attention by the general public to Israel's economic policies. In my opinion we are on the verge of "hyper-capitalism"- with companies and "the 1%" (blaaa) gaining worrying influence over the gov't. We are on the verge of neglecting our economic policies completely. It comes to the situation that the right wingers will vote to a right-wing party, who has right-wing economic policies, just because of the party's security policy. This of course applies to the left wingers as well. 

So what we have now is a country in constant opposition to our governments economic policy and to a lesser extent against the country's security policy. It's a madhouse.

Me? On the one hand, I support the 2 state solution (though, there still lies the question of whether the Palestinian state will consist of both Gaza and the West Bank (even though I have family in the West Bank). There are 5 million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. There are 7.5 million Israelis (including Jews- about 6.5 million, and 1 million Arab-Israelis). By 2050 there will be an Arab majority in Israel and the occupied territories. Apart of course, from the humane crimes committed by the Israeli occupation (not that I'm in any way excusing the acts of the Palestinian gov't, the Hamas, or any terrorist or terrorist group in the occupied territories. Some of the acts such as rockets, terrorist bombings, and kidnapping have shown that the Palestinians are just as capable at committing monstrous acts), the demographic situation by 2050 will not allow the continuation of a Jewish state (which in essence is why any Jews are here, really) Israel without literal apartheid-like laws which will abstain Israel its democratic nature. Moreover, it will probably result in massive economic embargoes on Israel, and one hell of a war (not that there haven't been some already.

On the other hand, I find myself on the more right-wing side when it comes to issues like the Arab spring. I found myself supporting a much more quiet change of gov't in these countries, than the direct overthrow of leaders such as Mobarak, and the future overthrow of Assad. Of course I believe all countries should be democratic- but in these countries I really don't think a democratic state can be established. With over half of Egyptians under the poverty line, I fail to see how any new parliament- particularly one filled with Muslim fundamentalists and near-fundamentalists, will be able to establish a country with proper democratic ideals. Moreover, that particularly afflicts Israel, as parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood go against the peace treaty with Israel- and I really don't want to know what happens when another war between Israel and Egypt happens.

On the economic side, currently I'm on the left-center side of things. Each economic policy and its time and place. The over-capitalization of Israel has massively hurt the middle class and has now caused a major rift between the high class and low class- with the middle class withering. 

Bla bla in these situations the gov't should help the people get the proper support in order to diminish the class differences. To do so, they must tax the rich, and establish further social aid to the people in the lower classes. Bla.

Yeahhhhhhhhhh.... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 07:53
Originally posted by PyramidMeetsTheEye PyramidMeetsTheEye wrote:

dude you forgot vladimir ilich lenning,leon trotsky and few other bolshevists  that i cant remember now.  


Who? vladimir ilich lemming? Was he a suicidal mammal?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 00:45
Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul.


The media hates him, so that's a good sign. But reading up he really doesn't have much to offer.

I can see why you libertarians love him so 



And i'm usually leaning to the Left


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 00:36
dude you forgot vladimir ilich lenning,leon trotsky and few other bolshevists  that i cant remember now.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2012 at 00:34
social libertarian,but i combine ideas from other politics as well most of them all from socialism.

But the best think to do: is that you dont have anything to do with politics,live your life and f**k politics they arent going to change anything. 
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 14:06
Ho Chi Minh was originally (and always first) a nationalist. I think the West drove him to communism after his wishes were denied.

Point being, he liked Rush.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 10:46
"I'm Mirack Obamney and I approved this poll"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 09:55
But Ho Chi Minh and Leonid Brezhnev are rabid fans of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 08:45
This thread lacks of approval of Staline, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot.

Just sayin'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 08:39
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Governments are not magical entities, but entities made up of people.

But what if I'm magic?
Then your last name wouldn't be Lopez but Johnson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 01:29
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Governments are not magical entities, but entities made up of people.


But what if I'm magic?

Ergo you are a magnet. 


I must be.
Who would I be to argue with the sages of our time?

*flashes gang signs* miracles brah


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 01:22
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Governments are not magical entities, but entities made up of people.


But what if I'm magic?

Ergo you are a magnet. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2012 at 00:32
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Governments are not magical entities, but entities made up of people.


But what if I'm magic?
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