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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 18:01

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:45

EBay U.K. has banned the sale of tickets to the London Live 8, a megaconcert to raise awareness of African poverty, following pressure from musician Bob Geldof and an online campaign to sabotage the auctions.

Tickets for the concert were a hot item on eBay until activists wrecked auctions and Geldof blasted ticket sales as profiteering from misery.

Tickets were allocated Monday via an SMS lottery. More than 2 million text messages were entered, at a cost of 1.5 pounds ($2.70) each, to join the lottery for 133,000 tickets.

Some winners immediately listed tickets on eBay, and some sold for more than 2,000 pounds ($3,600).

On Tuesday, outraged eBay members began flooding the ticket auctions with fake bids that drove prices up to 10 million pounds ($18 million). The phony bids made the sale of tickets impossible, as almost every bid was fraudulent.

Some eBay members used their own accounts, possibly jeopardizing their hard-earned eBay ratings.

Others opened new accounts to place fake bids, including one called live8legalteam, prompting speculation that the bidding was organized by Live 8 itself.

EBay also came under fire from organizer Geldof, a musician best known for his 1985 Live Aid African famine-relief benefit concert that raised more than $200 million.

Geldof blasted eBay for allowing people to sell the free tickets.

On Tuesday, eBay banned all ticket sales.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:30
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Well, now that our integrity is gone, what shall we auction off next?Confused

See, I've got this lovely ocean-front property on the sunny south coast of Saskatchewan....Tongue

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I've got Maani's TV!!

Goes to the highest bidder!!!!

No thanks, bet his set only receives Michael Landon shows....

C'mon Maani,Max-burying your head in the sand and waiting for the July shows wont work.

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:36
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Well, now that our integrity is gone, what shall we auction off next?Confused

See, I've got this lovely ocean-front property on the sunny south coast of Saskatchewan....Tongue

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I've got Maani's TV!!

Goes to the highest bidder!!!!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:25
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Lets all of us declare these posts "Spam" and hhave some democracy in action here!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:19

Well, now that our integrity is gone, what shall we auction off next?Confused

See, I've got this lovely ocean-front property on the sunny south coast of Saskatchewan....Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 15:07
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Whores!

Sorry I meant to write hoarse!

 

 

 

Hey you woudn't be talking about those posters selling tickets again are you?  

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:46

Whores!

Sorry I meant to write hoarse!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:23
Glass of water, Tony?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 09:17
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Lets all of us declare these posts "Spam" and hhave some democracy in action here!

Please vote here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 09:02
Hopefully Geldoff will have learned from his "naïveté" since the huge Live Aid Fiasco where my $100.00 went into some vile personage's pocket !!!!!!!!
let's just stay above the moral melee
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:23

The only acceptable reason for selling Live 8 tickets would be to donate the funds to one of the organisations involved in Make Poverty History or one of the many agencies supplying aid to Africa.

The fact that the resale of the tickets will have no impact on the final total raised in a fundraiser, or that the concerts are about raising awareness rather than raising funds, is beside the point.  The scalpers engaged in these reprehensible sales are, albeit indirectly, making a profit from the corpses of dead Africans. (The same could be said of the boost in CD sales that will follow the gigs, but at leat the artists are putting something back).

The quickest way to end the worst ravages of poverty in the third world is for the developed world to re-evaluate its relationship with poor countries, not out of altruism (which would be nice but I'm more likely to spontaneously change sex than the CEO of a major corporation is to develop a genuine social conscience) but out of self interest; a prosperous Africa will be a huge market for all those consumer durables that are increasingly difficult to sell in domestic markets. This will also strike a real blow in the war against terrorism - when people aren't starving, being bombed or shot at and have access to decent health care and education they can be surprisingly reasonable.

Or alternatively, you can make a quick profit.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:48

MAANI WROTE:

Indeed, also as stated, if the buyer(s) truly want(s) to go, and is/are willing to pay for a ticket that s/he knows was free, how can any of you justify having anything to say about that?  Have you considered how you would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?  Would you want others telling you what you should or shouldn't do with your money, or calling you names for engaging in this type of transaction?

 

 

Whether the concert is for charity , and the ticket was free or not , whether it is a private-for-profit concert is totally irrelevant. You might have missed my earlier post , Maani, but not only is the ticket scalping a horrendous and vile activity , but the whole distribution system is awry right from the start and mainly because of the scalping of ticket.

Who in his right mind would pay ten times the price of a ticket , if he had a proper chance at obtaining them if the sales were correctly handled and fair? Those people not having tickets have no choice (except the one of not going to the concert) but to pay exhorbitant prices. The fact is that scalping is robbery or extortion and this should be a crime.

This fact alone should suffice to prohibit this behaviour on the site. This site claims to be moral ..... after all.....

Again , I am a bit mystified by a minister's attitude in such a debate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:46
Tony & Maani's debate aside (which I would not presume to join as it is now a case of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object), I have voted an emphatic "no".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:42

Lets all of us declare these posts "Spam" and hhave some democracy in action here!

Please vote here.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8192&a mp;PN=1&TPN=1



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:25
Interesting discussion about the state of 'capitalism' in general, in a free, liberal market system everything is permitted (according to the rules of those who fixed them). Now, look what is happening in Europe, everybody is scared s...t about the textile imports of China and India. The European governements are crying for export limitations, which are completely contradictory to the whole system only because there were no limitations fixed in the first place. So the ticket sharks are taking profit of PA ...what is wrong with taking profit? And who believes seriously that Geldorf and Bono are changing the world. As long as the the few countries (or companies) who rule the world economy are still in place they will give only peanuts to the poor countries to  keep them under their thumb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 06:16
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Tony:

You said, "He talks about freedom of speech but I say make an exception-after all you have deleted posts that use "profanity" Change the rules to read......"and anything else that the admin group deem inappropriate.""

Have you ever read Orwell's Animal Farm?  Because your statement is practically a direct quote from the book.  I simply cannot believe that this is the road you want to go down...  I never expected Orwellian thinking from you.

Peace.

Maani-I truly believe you are now being ridiculous.This is a music forum for christ's sake!

As for Animal Farm, I read it when I was 10.I HAVE A DEGREE IN LITERATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Explain to me who's rights are being infringed?These people are not here,not interested in this debate and of course,could have already sold their wares and be enjoying the bounty.

Tell me how this is a freedom of speech issue? You havent convinced us so far!

I refuse to get into a philosophical debate about the nature and definition of "freedom of speech" .Far from me over-reacting you are using this case and this site as some kind of model for your own philosophical beliefs. I now believe that you are refusing to back down in order to save face or you have completely lost your marbles and sense of perspective.I dare say that the money-lenders had tacit approval to ply their trade in the Temple and were,as such,expressing a freedom that was obviously wrong and alien to the context of their surroundings.Jesus,your mentor,threw them out.I dont recall that he was barred from every temple in The Holy Land in case he he repeated this action and there is no record of his making a habit of this "removal of other people's freedoms"

As Moderator you have no right to be so dogmatic.I genuinely feel you are behaving pompously-behaving like some despotic dictator who makes strange decisions because he "knows best."

Your reply leaves doubt as to whether a final decision has been made,in fact it demands an answer from me which, of course,draws this out further.We need a final statement.

Declare these posts "spam" and have done with it! If not:

Move over Maani!!

Tell me-what does MAX think?

Let him speak!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 22:43

Tony:

You said, "He talks about freedom of speech but I say make an exception-after all you have deleted posts that use "profanity" Change the rules to read......"and anything else that the admin group deem inappropriate.""

Have you ever read Orwell's Animal Farm?  Because your statement is practically a direct quote from the book.  I simply cannot believe that this is the road you want to go down...  I never expected Orwellian thinking from you.

Peace.

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