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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



Could you define a Christian fundamentalist? 

Someone who professes to be Christian but is rather selective about which parts of the Bible he or she believes.
Islamic fundamentalists are the same way when it comes to the Koran.
Jewish, the Torah.


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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own. 

In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer. 

 
Citizens of the USA, who can't get their own way, over mosque building, and denounce Obama as a muslim, because of it.
 
I agree...it does appear insensitive, but he's upholding the Constitution by allowing freedom of religious expression for ALL.
 
Personally, I think that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous, and should be fried.
 
 
 

Could you define a Christian fundamentalist? 
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Originally posted by Rabid Rabid wrote:

Jimmy Swaggart.
 
I rest my case.  Stern Smile
 

Well, he is a sinner.  How about we bury him up to his waist and throw painful stones at him?

Barbaric, the civilized thing is white phosphorus.


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Jimmy Swaggart.
 
I rest my case.  Stern Smile
 
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Christian fundamentalists should be electrocuted!?

 
Yep.Slowly.


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Christian fundamentalists should be electrocuted!?

 
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Rabid Rabid wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own. 

In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer. 

 
Citizens of the USA, who can't get their own way, over mosque building, and denounce Obama as a muslim, because of it.
 
I agree...it does appear insensitive, but he's upholding the Constitution by allowing freedom of religious expression for ALL.
 
Personally, I think that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous, and should be fried.
 
 
 


You think that Christian fundamentalists should be electrocuted? Shocked I'm shocked and horrified that anyone here holds such an opinion.
 
I'm not.
 
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Just the other day I called Luke.....Jake.    Brain schisms.  Embarrassed

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Originally posted by Rabid Rabid wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own. 

In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer. 

 
Citizens of the USA, who can't get their own way, over mosque building, and denounce Obama as a muslim, because of it.
 
I agree...it does appear insensitive, but he's upholding the Constitution by allowing freedom of religious expression for ALL.
 
Personally, I think that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous, and should be fried.
 
 
 


You think that Christian fundamentalists should be electrocuted? Shocked I'm shocked and horrified that anyone here holds such an opinion.
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own. 

In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer. 

 
Citizens of the USA, who can't get their own way, over mosque building, and denounce Obama as a muslim, because of it.
 
I agree...it does appear insensitive, but he's upholding the Constitution by allowing freedom of religious expression for ALL.
 
Personally, I think that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous, and should be fried.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Sorry man....I could have SWORE your name was John.  Time #196 that I've F'ed up somebody's name in the forums.  I'm awful with names. 

Logan?Embarrassed


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All these years we've been friends and you don't even know my name. I'm so hurt.... Cry

Nah, just kidding. It's cool.
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Sorry man....I could have SWORE your name was John.  Time #196 that I've F'ed up somebody's name in the forums.  I'm awful with names. 

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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Slart: You're giving the opposition free cartoon intel.....very noble of you!!  Tongue

John: Yeah, you know damn well the cat had no idea about the water.  He probably had a habit of checking out the tub every day......and this time he got burned bad by the humansLOL


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Slart: You're giving the opposition free cartoon intel.....very noble of you!!  Tongue

John: Yeah, you know damn well the cat had no idea about the water.  He probably had a habit of checking out the tub every day......and this time he got burned bad by the humansLOL
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Slart, you always have the best cartoons.  But when 90% of the cartooners out there are flaming liberals, you also have a much better selection to choose from.Wink

That's probably a fair estimation.  Look up political humor at about.com, probably your best resource for conservative political cartoons you can link in.
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Jim, your signature makes me laugh every time I see it.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before:

Quote Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona."


See this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428

Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser.  He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies.

And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl

On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots).

Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread.
 
I'll say upfront I didn't bother clicking on any links. So are you trying to say that because a white supremacist is a member of the tea party, possibly an organizer, that we can then infer that most the them believe in white supremacy?


No, of course not, that would be a stupid thing to say. Why would you think I'm trying to say that? If I were trying to say that, then I would have said it. lol

The White Supremacists are using the Tea Party campaigns to further their message.  What I am saying is that it appears that there has been support for known White Supremacists in the Tea Party, and that there are White Supremacists who support the Tea Party that consider their views to be in-line with the founding father's beliefs (consider themselves believers in the Constitution even if they may disagree with later amendments).  What I don't know is how tolerant the big-names in the movement, and many of the Tea Party supporters, are of such people.  How much they have been publicly ostracised and how much have they tried to distance themselves from such people. And there's the question of how much they should do that -- how exclusive and tolerant they should be.  I don't think having known White Supremacists as organisers is a good idea, but I guess they should still be able to join in on the activist activities.  And, anyway, in a way such intolerance of White Rule people would go against a belief in constitutional freedoms. There are racists in most groups, but the Tea Party has come under fire for fostering, or at least habouring and being tolerant of, White Nationals. According to one article I read, thousands of Tea Party activists are supporting David Duke for President.  That said, the White Nationals are trying to use the Tea Party for their own purposes.

It goes back to what I said to Rob a little earlier in the thread about every group having its nutjob extremists, "What I would say is that if a group seems at-all tolerant of its nutjob extremists, then I am less tolerant of the group."

And I'm sure you know far more about this as I know more about Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms than the US constitution, and actually thought it would be the point you'd leap on since you were talking about The Tea Party's support for the Constitution: There are White Supremacists who claim they believe in the Constitution (at least in its original form) who do not think that amendments were justified as they go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers' vision. Slavery was not abolished until the, 1870s, 1860's (I don't remember, been ages since I studied US history) and an amendment was passed to the Constitution at that time. They might see that as unconstitutional, but also the Constitution has been quite open to interpretation, right?

Re David Duke, he claims that thousands of Tea Party movement activists support him as future US President.  I don't know if that's true, probably exaggerated (his propaganda to make himself seem more popular/ accepted) but as I said the Tea Party has actively tried to infiltrate/ use the Tea Party movement, and use it as a platform and way to gain support and members of its cause (recruit people there, and spread the message there, because they think that many at such rallies will be receptive to their message, which says something, I think, as does the fact that prominent White Nation people would consider aligning itself/ identifying with The Tea Party). So there are many White Nation activists associating themselves with the Tea Party.  Maybe they agree with the basic claims of the tea Party, some of those White Supremacists call themselves Libertarian and Constitutionalists, but they have their own agenda..

Anyway, I was hoping for more insight as an outsider from the pundits here.

EDITED for typos and some more thoughts.

In the context of the conversation I thought you were making that point. My bad. 

Sorry I don't have the time for a quote pyramid so I'll just try to respond in an order that makes sense.

It's not the duty of a group of moderates to separate themselves and speak out against a group of crazy who purport to be related to them. If a libertarian goes out and bombs the white house, I have no responsibility to publicly censure his actions. 

The Constitution has been interpreted many different ways, that doesn't necessarily mean that the document is open to interpretation.  As for the issue of slavery in the Constitution, that's really too lengthy an analysis to go into. I guess an argument could be made along the lines of what you're saying, but I wouldn't find it very cogent. It would be a very easy argument to show that the XVI and XVII amendments are "unconstitutional" in the sense that the founders clearly would have disapproved of them, but those are the only ones I can think of a strong argument for in that sense. 

I'll take your point about the infiltration of the Tea Party at face value, but what does that say about the movement or the average follower itself? Nothing really. The Democratic party was used that way in the past, but nobody suggested that it was a dangerous, racist party. 
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Slart, you always have the best cartoons.  But when 90% of the cartooners out there are flaming liberals, you also have a much better selection to choose from.Wink
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

George Bush is not someone I make a point to defend, though I don't remember him saying what you quote. 

Yeah, both sides play games, but the Left's attempt to characterize conservatives broadly as racists is beyond pathetic.  It's really despicable.  It also hurts minorities because the public simply becomes weary of constant racism evocation and "boy who cried wolf" theory begins to creep in. 

A small number of whites hate blacks because of skin color, and a small number of blacks hate whites.  It has little to do with one's political views.


He never said it. But by quoting it I made it seem so Wink
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