What is the white culture ?
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Topic: What is the white culture ?
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Subject: What is the white culture ?
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 09:27
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Glenn Beck and the Tea Party has accused president Obama for being racist because he is "waging a war towards the white culture". See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html - here . I am white myself and I am from a society where I did not speak to a colored person before I was twenty years old. But I am still not aware of this white culture. To my knowledge, and the statistics is backing this up, the most Christian people in the world are the colored people in the USA, the rest of the American continent and Africa. The western culture is a mix of all colors. The art of book publishing comes from China or there about. If I am to believe that president Obama is a racist, what is the white culture then ? What is supposed to be my culture ? Please tell me who I am supposed to be because I do not have a clue. |
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 09:32
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You appear to be a camel. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 09:34
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Not exactly sure; claiming any group has a single culture is rather foolish and shallow. I will, however, say that Glenn Bleck is a monumental w**ker and you shouldn't listen to anything he says. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 09:44
Beige Power!!! Seriously if you want to talk about culture, let's talk about US vs. UK culture. We're mostly "white". yet distinctly different. Glen Beck is a racist moron and gets more attention than he deserves. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Equality 7-2521 wrote:Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 11:22
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Since I am able to write these lines, communicate some coherent thoughts with human beings and use a computer, does that not ring some faint alarm bells in your head/temple of knowledge ? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 11:24
Who is to say that a camel ain't capable, you specieist!!! ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:35
Joe Camel could do that and look cool at the same time. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:05
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as near as I can tell, white culture - in a strange ironic twist - mostly consists of being intolerant and racist haha |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:22
| Beck's views are very coloured, but he referenced the wrong colour. Instead of white culture, I think he meant redneck culture. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:27
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ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:45
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In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 16:37
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Why do I have to answer for Glenn Beck's statements? I have no idea what he's referring to. I find the term white culture stupid and collectivist. Is it because I'm American or because I'm white? Why do I have to speak for Glenn Beck? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 17:10
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Let Glenn Beck spew his bile. You don't have to speak for him, but you embrace some of the same ideas.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 17:13
You believe murder and rape are wrong so you embrace some of his views too. What does it matter? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 18:24
You wouldn't want to be represented by a guy who doesn't want the mosque build near ground zero Pat. I'm sure you wouldn't want it. ------------- 
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 18:28
Here ya go: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ - http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 18:30
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Let's be honest...we all know what he meant. And what anyone means when they use "our" or "white" culture English speaking, Christian |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 18:49
 I love that website. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 18:59
Correct. He doesn't represent me. He's a war-monger. I want nothing to do with him. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 22:49
I don't know. Please explain. Because when I go to a Christian church or see church services from USA on TV, I only see colored people. White culture cannot therefore mean Christianity. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 22:55
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I'm told white people enjoy mayonnaise -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 22:56
You aren't necessarily racist for "waging a war against a culture."  And since I drove for about 20 hours throughout this weekend (20 minutes of that being a designated driver for a couple of people who made too many poor choices in one night- that's right, you heard me- I was the designated driver), I am off to shower and bed.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:02
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That Beck character sounds like a total dick, so I would not get worried about it, unless he is referencing kkk type mentality, anyone president would be against that. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:02
I'm pretty sure that emoticon (despite it's yellow skin) represents white culture. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:03
You can't see that his pants are hanging past his ass. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:06
That sad trend crosses all racial boundries ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:08
As does the inability to distinguish between race and culture. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:21
  ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:28
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OH, NOs!  Glenn Beck doesn't speak on behalf of us "white" folk, even if he thinks he does. He can throw around terms like Obamacare and sensationalize everything till the cows come home for all I care. It's his problem that he feels threatened by "colored" people. All he's doing is segregating the population with this "us and them" mentality. I live in Arizona and it's never been more apparent who the true racists are. The funny thing is the want cheap labor, yet they want to throw out the only people willing to do jobs that no one else wants. They want less government, yet they try to tell everyone how to live their lives properly. I hear one thing come out of their mouth while their actions are the complete opposite. What's most insulting is how they try to turn everything around on everyone else instead of trying to improve relations and conditions. One of these days they'll come to the harsh realization that America has been a melting pot for quite some time. All they're doing is digging their own grave by pissing on everyone else. Never take responsibility is their motto. At the start of the election all you heard about was how great Reganomics are. Then things went sour and they shut up real quick about it. So now they're trying to pin it on the colored guy like he's had time to screw everything up. Never mind the real roots like deregulation of the financial sector that's taken decades to feel the true effects. Conservative is just another world for moron. Things need to improve because the old way just won't cut it forever, OBVIOUSLY. /Rant. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:37
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I like white people. They're pretty alright.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:54
| Beck doesn't even have any specific meaning in mind He's just sh*t-stirring in the hope that the electoral equivalent of football hooligans will go "HELL YEAH" and rally behind him. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 00:01
Some are racists, others are open minded, some are Protestant, other Catholics or even Athheists, some have strong roots with their ethnic community others don't, etc.
So...How can you talk about a white culture? There are many white cultures.
Iván
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 00:30
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I stopped at "Glenn Beck." Does anybody really care what Glenn Beck thinks?
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 03:33
Strange......... There are some passages in the US Constitution from 1780ish warning against the white culture as in these places. There was the war of independence in the 1770s against this white culture. How can the Tea Party say that they want to return to the Constitution and white culture when that same document is against white culture ? Glenn Beck and the Tea Party and others are also actively trying to overthrow the paragraphs in the Constitution in regard to the state vs. religion. Glenn Beck & the Tea Party want Christianity as an integrated part of the state. The Constitution forbids this in no uncertain terms. Glenn Beck & the Tea Party want to return to the principles of the Constitution. Again, I am confused. What do they want ? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 06:27
The freedom to not make any sense whatsoever. To learn more about white culture, I'd highly suggest the movies True Stories and The Jerk. Also Martin Mull's The History Of White People In America. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 07:26
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Review of Roy harper's 'flat baroque and berserk' from amazon :
Track two, “I Hate the White Man” might be his most controversial song (and that’s saying a lot when you talk about Roy!), a burning mini-epic that lambastes the arrogance of white culture from the inside out.
Far across the ocean In the land of look and see There once was a time For you and me Where the winds blow sweetly And the easy seas flow still And where the barefoot dream of life Can laugh and cry its fill Where slot machine confusions And the plastic universe Are objects of amusement In the fiction of their curse And where the crazy whiteman And his teargas happiness Lies dead and long since buried By his own fantastic mess For I hate the whiteman And his plastic excuse For I hate the whiteman And the man who turned him loose... And the reins of coloured thunder Of the stallion of the dawn Ride the coalfire morning On the beach where all is born Where the emperor of meaning Is burning up his forts And sits to warm his toes around A fire made up of useless thoughts And when the children tempt him With the riddles of their trance He flings the flames of solstice Casting laughs into their dance And while a crazy whiteman In the desert of his bones Lies as bleached as the paradise He likes to think he owns And I hate the whiteman In his evergreen excuse Oh I hate the whiteman And the man who turned him loose... And far across the reaches Of the drifting yellow sands The living carpet wilderness Forever joins its hands With heaven hell's attainment In a surging crest of fire Where more than all is thrown upon The ever lasting pyre And through the countless canticles Of Jason's charcoal fleece Are sung the songs of nothing In the timeless masterpiece And there stood in the middle Guess who? It's the everlasting burst Built by god's very own whiteman As he tries to rule the dust And I hate the whiteman In his doctrinaire abuse Oh I hate the whiteman And the man who turned you all loose... And the bowels of his city Have been locked into a safe Where the spew stains on the sidewalks Are defenders of his faith While back inside his kitchen The bowler hatted, long haired saint Cleans with soap and water But it's really just white paint While his golden headed scandal sheets Present their daily bite To give their righteous news-bleeders Drugs to keep them white While outside in the whitewash Where the guns are always, always right A shooting star has summoned Its dark angel from his night And I hate the whiteman And his evergreen excuse Oh I hate the whiteman And the man who turned you all loose And the man who turned him loose... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 07:37
What the hell are you talking about? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:10
But I did explain, you cut that part out  At least here in the states...whenever someone says junk that like that they mean: English speaking, christian What you said makes too much sense! Keep in mind we're dealing with Glenn Beck here... Who do we Americans really hate being here at the moment? Mexicans and Arabs? English speaking, christian Whenever someone says "they are degrading our culture" or "our white culture" they are referring to one of those things, (if not both). Hell, a good portion of Obama opponents think he is muslim. A higher % then do his supporters. To me this says, we don't like Obama and along with that....he's a not white muslim! Because us Americans are just so smart like that.... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:42
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English is a language (a part of a culture) and Christianity is a religion (a part of a culture). Both of these, however, are vastly different from one group to the next. White Southern Baptists in South Carolina speak English, but so do white Episcopalians in New York. You will find that their cultures, however, couldn't be farther from each other, and that both their language and religion are very different. Thus neither of their religion nor their language are the distinguishing features of some nebulous "white culture." There is no "white culture." There is no "black culture." There is no "black community" for that matter either (silly notion, that). It's ironic that those who claim they want to put an end to racism can't stop talking about their skin color and labeling themselves (and others) in that manner. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:45
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Yeah pretty much Rob. That's why I said he was making too much sense, (as are you) again....Glenn Beck we're dealing with here folks |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:53
Actually, the roots are all in regulation and government interference but I work 7 days this week so I really don't have the time to try to re-educate an idiolog. I defer that honor to Equality if he feels like taking it.
Now, I don't like conservatives and I don't like liberals but the real problem is those who go along an defend everything a politician from their party says and does, especially when it's just repeating talking their points. Also, I honestly think more people are upset about how destructive Obama has been since he's taken office than that he's "the colored guy". Seems that if a majority of people cared about that he wouldn't have been elected in the first place. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:59
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Equality 7-2521. The US constitution says very clearly that there shall be no religious preaching on state owned property (for example schools) or financed by the state. That's why the US army had to remove a consignment of ammo which had bible references written on them. The US constitution also bans the schools from starting their lessons with prayers. This in state owned schools in state owned properties. The conservative right around Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is therefore running up against the US constitution in their demand for prayers in the schools. The US Constititution also bans the state and the US people from vetoing the building of a mosque at Ground Zero. A veto from President Obama in this case would had been unconstitutional. Those who demanded a veto therefore acted against the US constitution. The US constitution is perhaps the most liberal and personal freedom minded constitution ever written. It is a piece of pure brilliance. That's why the majority of the democratic states set up post year 1790 has copied the major pillars of the US constitution.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:36
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Torodd, in the US, there is a chasm of policy difference between the far left and far right. But when it comes to hate, intolerance, and ignorance, you will find these on both sides of the spectrum. Thankfully these are small percentages on both sides, the vast majority of Americans are not the charicatures presented in the media. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:40
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I take it you've never watched a C-SPAN viewer call in.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:43
My socialist friend actually made it through once. It was a thing of beauty listening to him rail against the man for that 30 seconds or whatever. He really irked the host. We celebrated with several beers afterwards. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:51
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Here is a taste of 'white culture' English style. Makes me well up with pride, it does..
mailto:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao - Morris dancing ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:52
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the Norwegian Constitution is far more radical then the American and French Constitution, (it is inspired by both, but it takes several aspects even futher, like nobeliaty is no-existent here, their are no Lords, Sirs, barons, Counts, only high remark is Knight of St Olav order in 1st degree, wich i more a thank then an offisial status).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Norway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Norway
in the Wiki link it is said that the Norwegian is the Oldest constitution stil in use (it is from 1814) and the second oldest in the World  , -------------  
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:14
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The Norwegian constitution still says (paragraph 2) that the country is ruled by the Protestant Christian faith. The ban on Jesuits and the Jews from entering Norway was not good liberal thinking too..... But humanity and common sense won the day some decades later and a debt of gratitude is paid back to Henrik Wergeland every 17th of May. The US constitution says no religion has any place in the state. This partially based on the bad experiences from England, who persecuted the Irish catholics and their own catholics without remorse. Mayflower was in fact quakers seeking asylum in America. This is the things in the US constitution which some on the religious right is fighting. You will find them in the Tea Party. But I agree that the Norwegians constitution is a great document we are rightly proud of. Btw. I don't like the fanatics on the left in the USA either. I am not subscribing to the idea that George Bush was a horrible man who ate small children for breakfast. I think he was a well meaning man not up for the job. Neither do I subscribe to the idea that Jon Stewart and others gurus on the left are fantastic people. I am a middle of the road conservative dull man who does not like change whatsoever. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:35
I like to call myself a Liberal-conservative Sosialist since im happy with the monarcy, I am proud of mye cultural heritage, but as a dyslectic and not very adaptable to the functioning of everyday life im also for sosial help and NAV  (for actualy getting through university studie, and not ending up as a crack addict or low selfesteme wich i sometimes get), and finaly I like to have the choise of doing what you want and if you work for it you will someday be on the top of the "foodchain" go to nice nightclubs or whatever drink cocktails, drinks, or cognac with youre own earned money.
Mostly I don't like to be in one political field, i like to be flexible within all the three acceptable branches of Democrasy (Liberal, Sosial and Conservative) and stay as far away from the most far-right branch of democracy (but stil an offspring of democracy) facsime.which is a BAAAAD thing -------------
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:35
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To hell with the tea party. I'm joining the Big Mac, Fries and a Diet Coke party which is mostly made up of folks who don't give a sh*t about anything. As for there being only blacks in church in the US. You gotta stop getting all your cultural information from Tyler Perry movies. And anyway, where I come from most of the white people are not very cultured at all....aint that right Cletus? |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:41
I have never said this. But the stats says that Christianity is not an exclusive white culture the Christian man president Obama can be racist against. More coffee, please. |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:47
The real culprit of our boom-bust economic cycle has been government involvement in the economic sector. And as much as you hate to accept it, the "old way" (large excessive federal debt, protectionist trade policies with high tariffs which kill economic competition and encourage monopolies, federal control of the money supply) are liberal policies which have been around since Wilson, if not Lincoln. There hasn't been true de-regulation of the financial sector since Jackson and even then he had his hand in executive orders such as the Specie Circular ------------- 
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:52
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^^You said: "the most Christian people in the world are the colored people in the USA" and "Because when I go to a Christian church or see church services from USA on TV, I only see colored people" That's TV, not reality the information you are getting is not accurate. TV is not a good medium to use when making blanket judgements. My personal favorite stereotype from abroad is "all people from the US own (and use) guns" and now this one, "only blacks go to church". God bless the media. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:00
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Considering that blacks only make up about 12.4% of the US's total population, and considering that 76.5% of people in US identify as Christian (whether they are genuinely Christian or not), it cannot be the case that most Christians in the US are black.
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:02
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Sorry, I was expressing myself less than precise. Let me add that I also believe that white people in USA are Christians too. That should make a couple of white American admins in this forum loose their grips on my throat....... Yes, I agree that the media reporting on and about Americans is wildly inaccurate. The reason is that we in Europe don't understand you. I have some very distant American relatives and their views on life is pretty Martian-speak to me and the vast majority of Europeans. And I believe it is the other way too. That's why most political discussions in this forum is like LSD trips. Not that I have tried LSD. But after being around here for a while, I have got the essentials, so to speak. I also believe it is a vast difference in culture between Ohio and Boston too. Am I right ? |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:03
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Percentage wise of the two communities, my friend. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:10
Perhaps. Not too huge a difference between 78% and 85%, I say, but okay. Here's the chart if anyone is interested in the stats:
Data was pulled from http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf - here . ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:21
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I am still confused when it comes to what is supposed to be my culture.... Would you say Christianity is a white culture, Epignosis ? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:27
Not at all. What I've been saying is that there is no such thing as "white culture." As far as I can tell, there never has been either. I can pretty accurately describe ancient near eastern culture, Mediterranean culture, Mexican culture, and a few others. That's because culture is more of a geographical phenomenon rather than a racial one. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:32
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I would say that Christianity is a religion and not a culture in and of itself. I would say that shared shared religion can be a part of an overall culture. Whites and blacks in the US are predominately Chrisitan in their faiths, but celebrate those faiths (often) in different ways (styles of worship). Christianity is (pr was) a part of the US culture AND it is also part of the separate black and white sub-cultures in this country. The problem that you are running into is in trying to make serious sense out of a statement that was meant only to anger and inflame emotions. Once again television personalities (Glen Beck is an entertainer not a serious journalist) are not the best source for information. Trying to make sense of this is a futile as putting a camel therough the eye of a needle. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:42
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^^ this is a culture which maby is it (or one of three posible in geographical terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_cultures - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_cultures , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_people , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Slavs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Slavs + the baltic countries which all have strong historic ties and geographical ties, and folklore, mythology and way-of-living in the middleage.
me I'm of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_culture - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_culture and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_culture - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_culture (i have never been to Hungary though but my grandparents from my father side is Hungarians, and on my mother side im Norwegian, time to reveal my true identity ) -------------
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Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 03:14
Sure, it was government involvement ... That makes a ton of sense considering they decided to allow fraudulent practices by turning their back. "Deregulation" as in the number of restrictions that were lifted off banks, which allowed them to make loans (many subprime even) to borrowers who didn't have the income to realistically pay back what they owed. On top of that the banks were tricking people into adjustable rate mortgages that lead to negative amortization. All this caused massive amounts of bankruptcy on both ends and that means a massive debt. Then to top things off you have unchecked insiders which worsened the severity: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-magnetar-trade-how-one-hedge-fund-helped-keep-the-housing-bubble-going - http://www.propublica.org/article/the-magnetar-trade-how-one-hedge-fund-helped-keep-the-housing-bubble-going http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLySMWRwLs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLySMWRwLs "Old way" simply refers to outdated ideals. There's no such thing as a perfect doctrine and that means we need to constantly adapt along with the times. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 04:26
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Culture is what ever you want it to be be. For some people 'white culture' is a very real thing, but if you ask them to articulate exactly what it is, many would struggle. Does it revolve around the food, the music, the general way in which we conduct ourselves day to day. If you asked a pensioner in England what they thought 'white culture' was, you'd probably get a different answer from a white teenager. The pensioner may talk about roast beef, yorkshire puddings, and a stiff upper lip, and the teenager may regard the concept of a 'white culture' as racist, or at best meaningless in a multicultural society.
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 04:57
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There's no such thing as white culture, I'm surprised to see people here attempting to define it, just as there's no such thing as black or Asian culture.
Culture is a product of place and time, not genetics, I thought that was pretty obvious.
And in the future, I predict the term "culture" will start to become more and more meaningless as people use the internet to stylise themselves aesthetically and intellectually however they please rather than adhering to what is geographically around them.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 08:39
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Glenn Beck is an entertainer who has like all entertainers changes his act according to what plays with his audience. A "culurd" president rubs some of his audience the wrong way, but no one in their right mind will admit it. The statement he made may get his enemies up in arms but play well with his supporters. It's interesting that this fairly strong statement was made pretty close to his watered down snoozefest on Saturday while the networks besides Fox were actually paying attention. In the U.S. there is probably more difference between urban and rural white culture than there is between urban black and white culture. Race does correlate with some cultural differences, but location and socio-economic status does as much or more.
I just saw http://www.carolinachocolatedrops.com/ - http://www.carolinachocolatedrops.com/ on Sunday. This girl sang Gaelic traditional songs, Beyonce with a Banjo and the whole group just are a perfect example of how clueless we are about the division between black and white culture. Where does the early Country Blues end and Bluegrass begin?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 10:20
When it comes to areas of the planet dominated by "white" people or people of any skin color, there is no homogeneity, culturally speaking. I revel in the differences of humans.  Once you accept that Glen Beck is just a jerk, then you really have spent all the time you need to on this a-hole. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 11:07
That would make Todd at least Asian, maybe Cauc-Asian, but white???
 Todd, the tea party is over
.... when the most retrograd and conservative forces start to question their president's moves..... you know things are changing........ for the better.our "white" culture is now headed by a "black" man, and I've got no qualms about it
 . The very fact that they (the retrograds) come up with the "white" culture (instead of occidental culture) is racist in itself.
End of debate
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 12:08
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Thank you for putting "black" into quotes. There is no such thing as human "racial" purity. Either you're human or you are sub-human. Sub humans being the ones who look down on others who are culturally or ethnically different than they are.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 12:19
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I like Glenn Beck and agree with a lot of what he says, but the White Culture thing is just silly. "white" is far too broad a category to be said to have a single culture. Now if you broke it up into little parts like, say, "deep south culture," "Scandinavian culture" etc. we might be in business. There is no "white culture" though, just as there is no "black culture."
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 12:24
By the way, feel free to rib me for liking Olberman and Maddow,  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 12:25
Oh, don't worry. It will come when you least expect it.  -------------
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Posted By: dweet
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 16:32
Even the people who wear suites, have stupid haircuts and their own Fox News shows, but really are still rednecks. ------------- http://dweettoonzip.bandcamp.com/ - My neo-psychedelic post-industral post-lo-fi music . |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 16:34
I'm a redneck. Most of my family are rednecks too. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 16:37
Really?
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 17:20
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I know you won't like them because they weren't around before 1989. I won't like them because they're little racists. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 17:21
Are y'all's necks naturally red or have you been out in in the sun too long with your baseball caps turned the right way? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 03:18
actually this "white culture" is really too close for comfort to the "white supremacy" theories of the KKK., which is no doubt what the Tea Party referred to. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 07:21
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Actually there's no doubt to that being not what the Tea party was referring to. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 08:26
What makes you say that? Beck seems to be more of a showman than anything and racist undertones, just enough but not too much, probably plays very well with his audience.
What do you think he was referring to?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 08:30
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Acidophilus.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:20
Lets follow the logic here:
1) Tea Partiers believe in a government which can act only within the confines of the Consitution.
2) The Consitution prohibits slavery and in general protects the rights of every individual.
3) Therefore the tea partiers believe in KKK style white supremecy which holds that people of a certain skin color are intrinsically inferior to another.
Hmm? Doesn't seem to work.
Really to paint people as KKK racists from the term white culture than one supposed leader of the moment said? That's absolutely ridiculous. Let's be sane here. There's plenty of grounds to attack Beck on if you so chose. He's a war-monger, he spreads irrational fear of Muslims, but don't put the guy in a white hood on horseback. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:38
While your analysis is correct, I doubt most tea-partiers have ever considered that. I'm just saying... they can't spell, they probably can't make logical analyses.... Oh I kid the tea partiers they probably are not KKK white supremacists... but some of them sometimes make a good impression. -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:38
You're reaching man.
Racism to the point of KKK ideology is rare but not as rare as it should be. I have no doubt some of those folks are in the ranks of the so-called Tea Party. But clearly the majority of the group are not there.
Though there would certainly be backlash against any Democrat that had taken the Presidency in these times (especially since the economy was going to tank regardless of incumbent) the strength of this group is almost certainly sharpened by Obama's race. At the same time, I don't think any other Democrat could have beaten John McCain (especially if he'd had a more reasonable running mate.) Some folks (regardless of party) are probably irked because of the idea that Obama was elected just because of the novelty of his race. Whether he likes it or not, race is his defining characteristic because he's first.
PC is an old term now, but there is some difficulty saying things out loud that are simply true. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:43
| Here's an article that I found rather interesting: http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm - http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:44
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Every group has their nutjob extremists. Why do we tend to focus on them as though they are representative of the whole group?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:53
Let's go back to the KKK for a minute... Yes, it is a group that I have no problem characterizing as a bunch of nutjobs. The Tea Party may have some reasonable people in it, but is heavily populated by whackjobs. By the way, congratulations on your victory over Murkowski in Alaska. I didn't really care for her ass, but I'm not sure if her replacement will actually be an improvement. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 13:55
What I would say is that if a group seems at-all tolerant of its nutjob extremists, then I am less tolerant of the group. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:00
Yes me the person who refuses to make sweeping generalizations about an entire group of people, ascribing to them an extreme deregoatory stance, based on a single misunderstood two word term spoken by one person is the one who is reaching.
That makes sense.
I keep telling myself not to come back into this thread because it's so stupid, but I have poor self-control apparently. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:02
Please site the highly scientific data/methods used to reach this conclusion. I would love to know how you can justify that. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:08
"Based on a single misunderstood two word term." C'mon man, you got better than that. Beck's relationship with the Tea Party is not "supposed leader of the moment." He just organized a rally involving at least tens of thousands of people from across the country. He IS a nutjob, but people are tuning in and in numbers.
There are thinking libertarians like yourself, but the majority of the Tea Party is not like you. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:12
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And...... ? Every popular movement have extremists / nutters trying to hijack it. After all; this strategy was set down by Komintern back in the 1920s and then copied by everything from Ku Klux Klan, The Farmers Unions, every Social Democatic Party/Labour Party on this planet and beyond, every Christian Democratic Party on this planet and beyond, the Vietnam and Iraq anti war movements and the Civil Rights movements. This is the whole modus operandi for extremists. Attach yourself to a popular alliance like lice to dog and then take over. In most cases, these extremists is killing the popular movements from inside and I am pretty sure the leadership in the Tea Party is watching KKK and the other white supremacists with a lot of anxiety. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:13
It's that chalkboard that he takes everywhere with him. He derives his power from it. Separate him from the chalkboard and he is nothing. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:17
Yes they are not. They are not libertarians, but they are not racists either. Is it too much to at least be careful before you attach such ugly labels to massive hoards of people? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:30
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Not that it matters, but I did qualify my statements fairly carefully. Maybe you could find the statement that is the real problem.
But racial issues are at work here. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:31
Best that you ignore the signs they carry. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:32
There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before:
See this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428 Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser. He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies. And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spitit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots). Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 15:46
Let's see if I got your method down here. You watch tv or read a blog which shows tea partiers with a racist sign. Then you conclude that most of the population of T-Ps are racist.
I actually don't know where to begin criticizing this. I would begin with the obvious selection bias, but since you're just making a sweeping generalization without any sort of statistical reasoning that argument would be superfluous anyway.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 15:51
I'll say upfront I didn't bother clicking on any links. So are you trying to say that because a white supremacist is a member of the tea party, possibly an organizer, that we can then infer that most the them believe in white supremacy? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 15:54
I don't know what you mean but yes racial issues are at work here I'm not denying that. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 16:11
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In some of your responses you talked about me characterizing a group rather recklesslessly. I don't think I did.
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