The 80s..the worst era for prog. |
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13607 |
Posted: June 13 2012 at 13:32 | |
Welcome aboard. Heavy metal is not prog, prog metal is, and there is a difference. There are a number of heavy metal bands here under prog related category, which is not the same as prog, just a recognition of the fact that they influenced much of what we listen to, and the fact that many were part of a "movement" of music. I can sympathise with you re Kate Bush, to a degree, but Gabriel & Zappa? Come on. Both are, rightly, regarded as titans of the genre. Perhaps if you regarded them as progressive artists, rather than your definition of prog? As for the 1980's, I have seen this so many times it does, I am afraid, become rather . Whether you like it or not, and I take it from your comments you did not, prog rock itself progressed, and changed. You might not have liked the direction of bands such as Tull, Genesis, and Yes etc., but much of what they produced was still palpably progressive rock music, even a lot of the more overtly commercial stuff. And as for your inclusion there of Camel, well, I'm sorry, that is just plain ridiculous. Enjoy the crazy world of debating here on PA.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 13 2012 at 13:25 | |
^Sorry, but that is utter bs.
Have you had a listen to any of the tracks I just posted? But hey, if you want something akin a little more to "prog rock" - as in 70s prog, then by all means look no further: A lot of the communistic countries had their own 70s during the 80s so to speak. If you just venture out beyond the English speaking countries or past the 5 or 6 big names you've listed - chances are you're going to find a lot of cool stuff. EDIT: Welcome to the site btw - sorry if I came across a tad snarling, but we've had this debate a hundred times before, and simply saying that the 80s sucked, is getting a bit old. I will agree with you in regards to a lot of the ol' dinosaurs, but the scene was so infinitely broad, that if you just start scratching the surface, you're most likely going to strike gold sooner or later. Welcome to the craziness of PA
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bignoze
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Posted: June 13 2012 at 13:14 | |
I can't believe I seem to be the only one who does not think Heavy Metal is prog. Nor is Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, or Frank Zappa for that matter. And the 80s has absolutely NOTHING to do with prog rock AT ALL. There are a few bands who didn't realize the end had come and for the first few years of the 80s still made a few records the way they used to in the (only) true prog era of the SEVENTIES, like Rush (Moving Pictures and, marginally, Signals), Yes (Drama, but NOT 90210), Genesis (Duke but nothing else), and so forth. But to call Jethro Tull prog in the 80s is just plain silly. Or Queensryche, Alan Parsons, Camel, etc. They all abandoned prog and tried to be 80s. I will agree that Marillion is still jarringly prog in this otherwise entirely un-prog era, but they are the exception. Prog was a 70s phenomenon altogether, say I.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 12 2012 at 14:19 | |
The 80s were absolutely amazing!!!!!! |
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: June 12 2012 at 14:04 | |
From what I've listened to so far the 80s was a mixed bag for prog, at least when it came to the old guard. King Crimson and Rush managed to successfully incorporate the sounds of the era into their music. Also, I like what Peter Gabriel did with So, and, right now, I'm listening to Eye In The Sky by The Alan Parson's Project. I wasn't too fond of Yes' 90125 (though I remember liking Drama), and I found Jethro Tull's The Broadsword And The Beast to be kind of lame.
I want to check out Iron Maiden one of these days. I've heard some good things about their work. |
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FromAbove
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Posted: June 11 2012 at 09:43 | |
I think that prog still survived thanks to the 80s. I mean, yeah, Rush, Yes, and Genesis reinvented themselves, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull were still around. Bands from the 70s happened to last into the 80s, though their original sound wasn't there. The formation of neo-prog, though not that strong, still helped keep it alive to a degree. And with ACR mentioning metal, that brings up another thing. Although a lot of the thrash metal was "prog-related", the 80s thrash metal (like Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Megadeth) probably paved the way for prog metal to come along afterwards, and bands like Fates Warning were around at the time to help with that. Edited by FromAbove - June 11 2012 at 09:44 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: June 11 2012 at 01:28 | |
Some of my favorite prog albums came from the 80's (of course, the best was from the 70's) as well as some of my favorite non-prog (non-prog has really gone downhill since the 80's). But yes, there was a lull there in the 80's for prog. Anyway, some of my favorites from the 80's:
Fact & Fiction from Twelfth Night Clutching at Straws and Script for a Jester's Tear (as well as the Market Square Heroes single) from Marillion Duke from Genesis Drama (and yes, I'm about to say it) 90125 from Yes Tales from the Lush Attic from IQ Nude from Camel Long Distance Voyager from the Moody Blues |
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verslibre
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 16961 |
Posted: June 11 2012 at 00:40 | |
Dude!
Until about 87/88, the decade was a good one for electronic prog. Tangerine Dream, Synergy (Larry Fast), Jarre, YOU, Schulze, Shreeve etc. Those guys all put out great/good albums.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:33 | |
Apart from a scattering of albums, Prog came to a stand still in the 80s. Even Rush, Yes and Genesis opted for a more commercial approach. Not much in the way of prog there of course but the 80s was the era of metal. i first got into metal during the 80s - Kill Em All (1983), Show No Mercy (1983), Number of the Beast (1982), Shout at the Devil (1983) and Black Metal (1982) were my first metal albums at the dawn of the metal onslaught - after that metal churned out and didn't stop. Prog metal came later in the 90s of course. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - May 30 2012 at 03:34 |
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DaleHauskins
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 02:24 | |
Don't forget Switzerland's Flame Dream...
Our 3rd LP "Out in the Dark" was released in 1980. |
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SaltyJon
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 22:25 | |
Discipline came out in the 80s. These also came out in the 80s:
Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House..., On Land and In the Sea, The Seaside Dun - Eros Eskaton - 4 Visions Univers Zero - Uzed, Heatwave, Ceux Du Dehors Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor Picchio dal Pozzo - Abbiamo Tutti I Suoi Problemi Naked City - s/t Art Zoyd - Symphonie Pour Le..., Berlin, Generaton Sans Futur, Le Mariage du Ciel et de L'Enfer, Phase IV, NOsferatu, Les Espaces INquiets This Heat - Deceit Miriodor - Rencontres Present - Triskaidekaphobie, Le Poison Qui Rend Fou Eider Stellaire - debut Shub-Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite Etron fou Leloublan - Les Poumons Gonfles, Face Aux Elements Dechaines, Les Sillons De La Terre, Captain Beefheart - Doc at the Radar Station, Ice Cream for Crow Fred Frith - Gravity Thinking Plague - In This Life Zappa - The Perfect Stranger Probably more I can't think of, too. Not a bad decade at all, in my opinion. |
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Stomach Cheese
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 22:05 | |
I think the 80s rock movement inspired alot of modern day proggers
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areazione
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 09:34 | |
I'd tend to agree with the overall downsides of that decade. After all, we have to judge the proportion of bad things vs. good ones, not just picking up exceptions. But still: Three of a perfect pair was released in the 80's.Talk Talk were enjoying themselves like rabbits in a crop country-side field. To me that is enough to have peace with my decaying soul.
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Stool Man
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 08:45 | |
Disco in Prog? "Another Brick In The Wall (part 2)" was a Number One hit for Pink Floyd in 1979.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 07:51 | |
Exhibit No. 1:
Actually that was the '70's though it did ooze over into the '80's |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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bluejeanjunky
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 07:34 | |
80's was the Disco era.. just wondering if the prog musician back then were somehow influenced by them thus making them a "lil less appealing to prog music fans. Just wondering.
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verslibre
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 01:08 | |
It certainly sucked if you didn't have a decent music store near you. Luckily, I had the second largest Wherehouse (R.I.P.) I'd ever been in, and they at least stocked anything current. Like you, I went to high school in the mid-late 1980s, and I met a guy who introduced me to the likes of Tangerine Dream, Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk and Kitaro. Around '85 or '86 Virgin reissued a bunch of Tangerine Dream titles and it was like an excursion into musical porn...I was in Heaven!! I was just glad the store actually stocked everything.
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verslibre
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 01:03 | |
Another guy laying the groundwork for his future fusion missions was Michael Manring. He was in the '80s Windham Hill group, Montreux, as we know. They played pleasant, fluffy light (but intricate) stuff, and Michael recorded his first two solo albums in his Jaco-inspired bass-as-lead-instrument style, Toward The Center Of Night and Unusual Weather. Of course, if you like what Michael does, you want just about everything with his name on it. Another bass god, Vic Wooten, was gettin' busy as a Flecktone, but down the road he'd really lay it down as one-half of Bass Extremes with Steve Bailey. |
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ProgSeeker
Forum Newbie Joined: May 26 2012 Status: Offline Points: 20 |
Posted: May 26 2012 at 19:29 | |
It certainly was the worst decade to discover prog. I discovered prog in the mid 1980s in high school, and had a heck of a time finding the obscure stuff. Not to mention the lack of live shows. Even if those bands did tour, playing the old stuff wasn't fashionable and they all were in re-invent mode. I always said I was born a decade too late, but thankfully the 1990s brought on a new golden age for prog, and a lot more access to the old stuff.
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
Posted: May 16 2012 at 14:33 | |
They brought us the Synthaxe and some other innovative instruments. In retrospect I do not complain too much about the 80's.
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