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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:06 |
Some years ago I was weighting 125 Kgms (275 Pounds), being 1.80 Mts. (5.95), I went to a famous Doctor (Ljuba Cannucci) who came from Romania.
She gave some secret pills and she said they didn't contain amphetamines, but as soon as I started to take them, I begun to walk in the walls.
Even though it was obvious I was taking some sort of amphetamines (prescribed by a doctor), I started loosing weight, in less than a month I lost 20 Kms (44 pounds), and in less than 3 months I had lost 40 Kgms (88 Pounds).
I was almost in my ideal weight, but with my nerves destroyed for a long time....Now I grew fat up to 95 Kgms (about 33 extra pounds and only eliminated the sugar, the sodas and started to run 3 Kms a day...In 3 months I'm slightly above my ideal IMC (26), and healthy.
Dr. Canucci was radical and I wouldn't recommend her pills, but with hat weight, drastic measures were required.
Iván
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:02 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:01 |
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^ well, I could have added one option "equal distribution" ... but in the end I'm fairly certain that we each eat by one of the three choices. In the USA high-carb, low-fat has been recommended for almost half a century, and empirical data confirms that people have been paying attention to those recommendations. Unfortunately while people have been eating less fat, obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc. haven been increasing, too. This is why I think that maybe trying to eat fewer carbohydrates might be a reasonable thing to do. Even if you just don't drink sodas anymore, that's already an important step towards low-carb.
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KoS
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:48 |
All the choices seem piss-poor to me. I'd say, just eat more veggies, stay off sugar and fats(and by this I mean, fats as in cheeseburgers not in stuff like nuts) and refined foods altogether. do cardio based exercise but not too much.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:37 |
 Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Moderate intake
Moderate intake
MODERATE INTAKE
So, in other words, yeah don't drink 17 glasses of orange juice a day. Then you probably won't develop Type-II.
This really isn't as hard as some make it out to be.
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How about eating at most one orange a day, or drinking the juice of one orange? That would seem properly moderate to me. Orange juice is much too concentrated - too much glucose and *way* too much fructose, even if you only have a small glass IMO.
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C'mon Mike. Drinking one glass of orange juice every morning is not going to send your fasting blood sugar to hell, or drastically increase your risk for diabetes.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:36 |
 DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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thellama73
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:34 |
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I ate five oranges a day for much of college and never got sick and never gained weight. Oranges are good for you.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:31 |
Padraic wrote:
Moderate intake
Moderate intake
MODERATE INTAKE
So, in other words, yeah don't drink 17 glasses of orange juice a day. Then you probably won't develop Type-II.
This really isn't as hard as some make it out to be.
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How about eating at most one orange a day, or drinking the juice of one orange? That would seem properly moderate to me. Orange juice is much too concentrated - too much glucose and *way* too much fructose, even if you only have a small glass IMO.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:28 |
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^ and ^^ it's a fact that orange juice contains just as much sugar (glucose and fructose) as soda. Ok, now one could say that it's not as bad as soda because it also contains many healthy natural nutrients and minerals ... but so do other foods that don't contain as much sugar. And soda also contains salt, which increases blood pressure and makes you thirsty - so soda is indeed worse than orange juice. The fact remains though that orange juice is not a natural, healthy food. Not even oranges are, given that they were bred to contain more sugar by humans, and before the age of industrialisation they were never consumed in such concentrated form.
If you're thirsty, my recommendation would be: water. Now of course I don't always drink pure water when I'm thirsty, but I acknowledge that most other beverages are not as healthy for the purpose of quenching your thirst.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - March 22 2010 at 10:29
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:27 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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thellama73
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:19 |
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I take so called "nutrition science" with a large grain of salt. For me, common sense trumps all these studies that frequently contradict each other.No amount of studies will make me believe that orange juice is bad for me. Sorry, I just don't buy it.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:11 |
stonebeard wrote:
For long-term, whatever you want, as long and you exercise. I couldn't imagine simply taking soda, cheetos, and cocoa puffs out of my diet forever. It's not too hard to maintain weight, but these things have to be cut out or back drastically if you want to lose weight.
Matter of fact, it seems to me that I look and feel thinner after tons of soda sometimes. Maybe I just p*ss a lot more because of the caffeine.  /toomuchinformation
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exercise + carbohydrates makes you hungry though. The typical recommendation is "eat less, exercise more" ... so people are semi starved and their metabolism torn between too little carbs and too little fat and then the "user" comes and decides to do strenuous exercise. No wonder that people eventually quit those "diets", or suffer stroke or heart attack. And when they do quit their body regains the weight not in order to compensate, but because of the carbs that were eaten all along the fat metabolism is even more out of balance.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:08 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Padraic wrote:
The best diet for long term use is low-calorie, high on fruits/vegetables. IMO.
Moderate intake of complex carbs/fats/etc. Avoid the obvious junk.
That said, I don't live by any of this advice.
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Things may not be as healthy as they appear ... for example, orange juice is as bad as soda, as far as obesity and/or diabetes are concerned.
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Moderate intake Moderate intake
MODERATE INTAKE
So, in other words, yeah don't drink 17 glasses of orange juice a day. Then you probably won't develop Type-II. This really isn't as hard as some make it out to be.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:05 |
Padraic wrote:
The best diet for long term use is low-calorie, high on fruits/vegetables. IMO.
Moderate intake of complex carbs/fats/etc. Avoid the obvious junk.
That said, I don't live by any of this advice.
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Things may not be as healthy as they appear ... for example, orange juice is as bad as soda, as far as obesity and/or diabetes are concerned.
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:59 |
For long-term, whatever you want, as long and you exercise. I couldn't imagine simply taking soda, cheetos, and cocoa puffs out of my diet forever. It's not too hard to maintain weight, but these things have to be cut out or back drastically if you want to lose weight. Matter of fact, it seems to me that I look and feel thinner after tons of soda sometimes. Maybe I just p*ss a lot more because of the caffeine. /toomuchinformation
Edited by stonebeard - March 22 2010 at 10:00
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:53 |
Yes, well the beer diet makes total sense except for someone who just doesn't like beer. As close as I get to beer is ginger beer. Jamaican baby!!! 
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:43 |
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Beer. That is all.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:35 |
The best diet for long term use is low-calorie, high on fruits/vegetables. IMO. Moderate intake of complex carbs/fats/etc. Avoid the obvious junk. That said, I don't live by any of this advice.
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Negoba
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:23 |
Adkins-style diets do work (sometimes dramatically), but in my experience, people find them hard to maintain. And some people gain back with extra to spare when they quit them, just like any other diet.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:20 |
The point is that maybe the diet that most Americans (and, to a slightly lesser degree, all other civilized countries) eat - which is low-fat, high-carb - is not healthy. Changing it for good (for the rest of your life) might greatly improve your health ... or it might harm you. Regardless, health is an important issue ... and if evidence suggests that changing your diet could improve it, IMO it's always worth to check out the possibilities. BTW: Low-carb has been around for more than a century - or even longer. Even before sugar (sucrose) became the affordable commodity that it is today, people have occasionally mentioned that it's carbohydrates that are "uniquely fattening". As it happens, Americans are uniquely fat (according to statistics), and they happen to be on a high carbohydrate diet. Does anybody else see a possible relation? 
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Which is the best diet for long term use?
