Which is the best diet for long term use?
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Topic: Which is the best diet for long term use?
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: Which is the best diet for long term use?
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:05
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Just curious ... I've been on a low-carb, high-fat diet for the last two weeks or so, and so far I feel fine. I've also read almost a dozen books about nutrition over the last few months, and low-carb is which I find most in line with the facts and studies. Of course when it comes to studies you'll always have to ask yourself which ones you really trust ... just because it's labelled "study" doesn't imply that it is scientifically valid.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:08
| Breatharianism. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:09
^ that would be nice ... live on religious energy alone.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:10
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I don't believe in diets, so none of the above.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:12
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No diet has ever "worked" long term without making me feel miserable after a few days (incidentally, the first few days I feel like I could conquer the world). The most successful diet I went on was the Subway diet a long time ago, but you can imagine how that affects the pocketbook and, face it, you get pretty damn tired of sandwiches. The only way I could ever lose weight would be to exercise like I did a few years ago. That's even harder because I work more hours and now have two children (and simultaneously fritter away the hours here  ). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:27
Eat exactly what you do usually, just a little less of it  ------------- 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:31
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My health issues force me to moderate my birthday party attending rate and that's more diet than I ever wished for. Some diets may have their pros, but all have their cons. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:35
"Diet" also means what you normally eat, instead of the term "dieting" which essentially means that you change your diet for a certain time (typically a few weeks) in order to reach a certain goal (typically weight loss, but you could also try to gain weight if you're starved or doing strength training). So unless you don't believe in eating at all, you're likely one of the three types. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
thellama73 wrote:Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:39
That usually doesn't work for obese people though ... weight loss by eating less is possible, but in the long term they quickly regain their former weight (and then some). Studies also show the many obese people don't actually eat that much more than some other lean people, even taking into account factors like exercise. IMO it's much more likely that for some reason their metabolic balance is off, causing the body to store more fat than it actually needs. And I also believe that this imbalance is caused by what you eat rather than by how much you eat.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 08:41
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Since you forced my hand, I'll say that the "diet" I most believe in is "all things in moderation, including moderation." Also, I think physical activity plays a big roll, I don't mean going to the gym twice a week, I mean but more generally active all the time, like a farmer! Italians eat tons of pasta every two hours or so their entire waking life (right Raff?), but most are not overweight, because they walk more and are generally more active. -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:03
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At least here in America, I think the #1 things to be improved are reducing soda / pop intake to maybe once a week, and preparing your own food. People eat out alot here and just by making your own sandwich out of simple ingredients, you can improve the nutritional value and reduce the calories of your food. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:05
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^^ moderation is certainly always a good thing. About the Italians: I think that, leaving aside regional difference, they don't eat quite as much pasta as people from other countries would expect. They mainly exported meals like pizza and pasta, but even the Sopranos cookbook offers many meals that are actually low-carb. Or, if seen from the other side, high-fat. Consider spaghetti with meatballs or baked ziti for example - a lot of meat, cheese and olive oil. But I'm sure that Raff can offer us some first hand information ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:09
Agreed. Fructose is one of the biggest threats to health - at least in the amounts (and concentrations) which it is currently being consumed. If you're interested, watch the talk that was posted in the thread in the discussions area yesterday ... fructose is actually a toxin. As with all toxins it's the dosage which decides whether it has toxic effects - but clearly there is a lot of confusion out there. Only earlier today I was reading a best selling book about dieting, and they claimed that fructose is converted to glucose in the liver ... I suppose they either weren't aware of the main side products (fat/VLDL and uric acid), or didn't deem them important. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:13
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i see there is no choice for a basic balanced diet there. Fad diets may achieve something short term but...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:20
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The point is that maybe the diet that most Americans (and, to a slightly lesser degree, all other civilized countries) eat - which is low-fat, high-carb - is not healthy. Changing it for good (for the rest of your life) might greatly improve your health ... or it might harm you. Regardless, health is an important issue ... and if evidence suggests that changing your diet could improve it, IMO it's always worth to check out the possibilities. BTW: Low-carb has been around for more than a century - or even longer. Even before sugar (sucrose) became the affordable commodity that it is today, people have occasionally mentioned that it's carbohydrates that are "uniquely fattening". As it happens, Americans are uniquely fat (according to statistics), and they happen to be on a high carbohydrate diet. Does anybody else see a possible relation? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:23
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Adkins-style diets do work (sometimes dramatically), but in my experience, people find them hard to maintain. And some people gain back with extra to spare when they quit them, just like any other diet.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:35
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The best diet for long term use is low-calorie, high on fruits/vegetables. IMO. Moderate intake of complex carbs/fats/etc. Avoid the obvious junk. That said, I don't live by any of this advice. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:43
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Beer. That is all. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:53
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Yes, well the beer diet makes total sense except for someone who just doesn't like beer. As close as I get to beer is ginger beer. Jamaican baby!!!  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:59
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For long-term, whatever you want, as long and you exercise. I couldn't imagine simply taking soda, cheetos, and cocoa puffs out of my diet forever. It's not too hard to maintain weight, but these things have to be cut out or back drastically if you want to lose weight. Matter of fact, it seems to me that I look and feel thinner after tons of soda sometimes. Maybe I just p*ss a lot more because of the caffeine. /toomuchinformation------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:05
Things may not be as healthy as they appear ... for example, orange juice is as bad as soda, as far as obesity and/or diabetes are concerned. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:08
Moderate intake Moderate intake MODERATE INTAKE So, in other words, yeah don't drink 17 glasses of orange juice a day. Then you probably won't develop Type-II. This really isn't as hard as some make it out to be. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:11
exercise + carbohydrates makes you hungry though. The typical recommendation is "eat less, exercise more" ... so people are semi starved and their metabolism torn between too little carbs and too little fat and then the "user" comes and decides to do strenuous exercise. No wonder that people eventually quit those "diets", or suffer stroke or heart attack. And when they do quit their body regains the weight not in order to compensate, but because of the carbs that were eaten all along the fat metabolism is even more out of balance. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:19
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I take so called "nutrition science" with a large grain of salt. For me, common sense trumps all these studies that frequently contradict each other.No amount of studies will make me believe that orange juice is bad for me. Sorry, I just don't buy it. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:27
I'm sorry but soft drinks are a worse dietary choice than fruit juices. Fruit juices aren't as good as whole fruits. Coke Zero is God. MODERATE INTAKE MODERATE INTAKE. A balanced diet will do you a world of good. Do I have a balanced diet yet? NO, but I am working on it.------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:28
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^ and ^^ it's a fact that orange juice contains just as much sugar (glucose and fructose) as soda. Ok, now one could say that it's not as bad as soda because it also contains many healthy natural nutrients and minerals ... but so do other foods that don't contain as much sugar. And soda also contains salt, which increases blood pressure and makes you thirsty - so soda is indeed worse than orange juice. The fact remains though that orange juice is not a natural, healthy food. Not even oranges are, given that they were bred to contain more sugar by humans, and before the age of industrialisation they were never consumed in such concentrated form. If you're thirsty, my recommendation would be: water. Now of course I don't always drink pure water when I'm thirsty, but I acknowledge that most other beverages are not as healthy for the purpose of quenching your thirst. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:31
How about eating at most one orange a day, or drinking the juice of one orange? That would seem properly moderate to me. Orange juice is much too concentrated - too much glucose and *way* too much fructose, even if you only have a small glass IMO. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:34
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I ate five oranges a day for much of college and never got sick and never gained weight. Oranges are good for you.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:36
 DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:37
C'mon Mike. Drinking one glass of orange juice every morning is not going to send your fasting blood sugar to hell, or drastically increase your risk for diabetes. |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:48
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All the choices seem piss-poor to me. I'd say, just eat more veggies, stay off sugar and fats(and by this I mean, fats as in cheeseburgers not in stuff like nuts) and refined foods altogether. do cardio based exercise but not too much. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:01
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^ well, I could have added one option "equal distribution" ... but in the end I'm fairly certain that we each eat by one of the three choices. In the USA high-carb, low-fat has been recommended for almost half a century, and empirical data confirms that people have been paying attention to those recommendations. Unfortunately while people have been eating less fat, obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc. haven been increasing, too. This is why I think that maybe trying to eat fewer carbohydrates might be a reasonable thing to do. Even if you just don't drink sodas anymore, that's already an important step towards low-carb.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:02
Now that's a low-carb choice that I fully endorse ... only that it's Johnny Walker Black for me.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:06
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Some years ago I was weighting 125 Kgms (275 Pounds), being 1.80 Mts. (5.95), I went to a famous Doctor (Ljuba Cannucci) who came from Romania. She gave some secret pills and she said they didn't contain amphetamines, but as soon as I started to take them, I begun to walk in the walls. Even though it was obvious I was taking some sort of amphetamines (prescribed by a doctor), I started loosing weight, in less than a month I lost 20 Kms (44 pounds), and in less than 3 months I had lost 40 Kgms (88 Pounds). I was almost in my ideal weight, but with my nerves destroyed for a long time....Now I grew fat up to 95 Kgms (about 33 extra pounds and only eliminated the sugar, the sodas and started to run 3 Kms a day...In 3 months I'm slightly above my ideal IMC (26), and healthy. Dr. Canucci was radical and I wouldn't recommend her pills, but with hat weight, drastic measures were required. Iván------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:08
I'm not so sure. For most people, that sugar gets added to that of bread and jelly ... and since the fructose messes up some of the hormones that signal satiety (Grehlin etc) this sugar overkill in the morning makes it much harder for you to resist the candy bars ... Today my breakfast consisted of a tall coffee with cream ... and for lunch I had a large piece of cooked salmon with a cup of vegetables. Half an hour ago I also ate a hand full of nuts. Almost zero carbs so far, and I'm feeling fine ... and I'll probably have some scrambled eggs with bacon for dinner, and maybe some cheese. It's strange that people (laypeople and some nutritionists too) are referring to glucose as the primary source of energy for humans ... I would say that fat is a better candidate for that position. We can survive on fat and protein, but not on carbs and protein. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:16
I'm 1.80 meters tall, too - and last year my weight peaked at 118kg ... it's not as much, but comparable. My target weight is 85kg ... and I've already lost 7kg in the last few weeks. You say that you cut back sugar and it worked for you. If you also eat lots of carbohydrates (bread, rice, pasta, sweet fruits etc), keep in mind that in the end even the complex carbohydrates are converted to simple sugar (glucose and fructose) before they are absorbed into the bloodstream - the only difference is the speed at which it happens, but if you gorge on pasta, it can have a similar effect as a candy bar. My advice would be to cut back further on the carbs and see how it goes ... it might save you the strenuous workout. One other interesting thing about workouts while you're eating fewer calories (but lots of carbs among them) is that the body starts to limit resources in other areas in order to accomodate the workout in combination with the low caloric intake. If my theory is correct - and many people smarter than me support it - then replacing more carbs with fat (like putting a bit more butter/cheese/meat on thinner slices of bread) can shift that equation ... your body will still burn fat reserves, but without the symptoms of starvation (exhaustion). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 13:58
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Just got to post this again, it supports some of what Mr. Progfreak is saying. Pay attention to the bio-chem part.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 14:10
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^ by all means. I even got some dextrose (glucose) today to replace the sucrose (table sugar) in my kitchen. Even though I'm going low-carb, I'll still want some sugar in my Chai tea. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 16:55
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Could there be a low-fat, low-carb diet? That's the one that is the best ------------- 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 17:01
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Mediterranean diet and good exercise The only oil that is allowed to enter my premises is olive oil... I do not claim losing substantial weight, but at least I maintain the current (still heavy though...) and making efforts to go down... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 17:10
/science But that doesn't even address my point. If you're happy with your eating and lifestyle, then it's right for you. There is no such thing as a correct diet. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 17:59
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Animals, plants, sheesh, eliminate the middle men and just eat dirt.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 18:01
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I like how no one but Mike has voted in this poll yet.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 18:14
No wonder. I bet that 90% of the European members don't have a clue of what he's talking about. If he started by naming the aliments (meat, vegetables, milk products...), maybe he would have more participation. It sounds... "scientifically cold". |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 19:16
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Science isn't cold, just socially awkward. Give him some time and he'll open up.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 19:41
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High-Fat, High-Carb -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 02:11
That would be a high-protein diet ... like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Protein-Power-High-Protein-Low-Carbohydrate-Health/dp/0553380788 - http://www.amazon.com/Protein-Power-High-Protein-Low-Carbohydrate-Health/dp/0553380788 In a nutshell they lower carbs by upping the proteins. But - as they write in one of the early chapters - of course you can't go out and buy one ounce of carbs, two ounces of protein and one ounce of fat. You'll buy food, which will contain any combination of the three. So what you basically do is try to replace high-carb food (stuff which essentially contains lots of carbs and some fat) with food that's lower in carbs, and higher in protein and/or fat. Which, for example, would be meat, eggs and dairy products. So it's actually not that scientific at all - although the reasons for doing so are, and they explain them well in the book. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 02:13
It was the same in that religious poll a few months ago - I don't mind. I even thought about it yesterday and it occurred to me that most people are not likely to have just read a dozen books on dieting and nutrition, so I can't really expect them to find these topics remotely interesting. But maybe some of you are overweight, and when I've only sparked the interest in low-carb in one of you, then I'm happy. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 02:14
That would be the chocolate diet. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 02:25
Leaving science aside, I do think that there's such a thing as a correct diet. As you have said yourself, it's one that makes you happy - one that's right for you. Now, I'm obese. I'm not happy with that. I've come to the conclusion - for very good and scientifically sound reasons - that my diet (under which I developed obesity during the last ten years or so) caused it. So if a change in diet can cure obesity (by removing the underlying cause), I think that it's extremely important for me to invest a little time in investigating all the diets that are out there. I'm not saying that we all should eat exactly the same (maybe you meant that by "correct diet"), but within low-carb there's a wide range of choices of what you could eat. I think that there are three groups of people who should consider changing their diet:
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 07:44
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I've come to this alittle late, so apologies if this has already been said. I've known many people who have dieted over the years, and most all have one thing in common. They are all over weight.
Any diet that prohibits any one patricular type of food, or any diet that leaves you feeling hungry and depressed is going to fail. Jim suggests you eat what you like, just less of it, and I'm inclined to agree with this. A bit of what you fancy keeps you happy. A good balance of fats, carns and proteins is good for overall health, especially when in conjunction with an exercise program. Establishing a good weight loss routine is hard. I do appreciate that, but it takes focus and commitment, and starving yourself is not the answer. Neither is cutting out carbs altogether. The 'Atkins' diet has repeatedly proved itself to be bad for general health, and ultimately unsuccessful, in keeping weight off, in the longer term. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 09:58
Thanks for the advice Mike, but I have a problem:
I have high blood preasure and tendency to go high on cholesterol,some months ago I had 230 (total)which wouldn't be so bad, but my good cholesterol was terribly llow (37).
So I started cutting sat fats, started eating avocado three times a week and taking a lot of olive oil, but no fat.
In the beach (once a week) I take one or two beers,
Of course I make 3 Kms jogging.
Iván
My normal diet is:not so hard
I cut almost completely junk food. It's working, my cholesterol is around 200 but even better, my HDL has rised 20 points...My glucose is excellent,. 108, two hours after eating, and 79 before breakfast
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 10:06
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I'm taking blood pressure meds, can I just eat salt?
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 11:35
Thanks for the insights! My comment would be: Cut the carbs still further and lose your fear of saturated fat - or cholesterol. The key to improve your fat metabolism is not to eat less fat, but to reduce carbohydrates. Looking at your diet, I would say that the chocolate is very bad - it doesn't contain any protein, and is half fat, half sugar. I've now been living on a carb free diet for over a week, and I'll be going to the gym later to do heavy weight lifting - I can tell you from first hand experience that you don't need sugar in order to give you energy for strenuous exercise. I'm currently reading about the Protein Power diet ... it essentially replaces carbs with protein, and also increases fat a little because most foods that are high in protein also contain fat to some degree. But I agree with the logic 100%. Especially in the induction phase of low carb diet your body needs much protein, because for a while it needs to convert protein into glucose to power the brain and other organs which cannot burn fat directly. But after a few weeks (it takes longer the older you are) the brain can adjust to burn fats by way of ketones which are created from fat by the liver. This is also why you usually don't fall into a coma when you don't eat anything for a few days ... the Eskimos used to do that for the better part of the year (don't eat carbs) and they're fine, and not overweight, and neither obese nor diabetic, even with a diet that's more than 70% fat. I know it's not likely that you'll do as I do - but for example, you could replace the chocolate with peanuts, or replace the fruit after dinner with cheese. This will all lower carbs, and raise protein and fat, and I'm very sure that your body will thank you for it. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 11:39
Low-Carb and the Protein Power diet (which I'm currently reading about) can both reduce blood pressure. In the Protein Power book (written by medical doctors who run a successful clinic by the way) they explicitely warn people who take blood pressure meds that they should only begin the diet under supervision, because as they go along their medication needs to be adjusted or discontinued. http://www.proteinpower.com - http://www.proteinpower.com ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 11:48
I've tried just eating less, combined with exercise ... trust me, it did not work. The general response by the "just eat less" fraction is usually "well, you must have had low willpower". I maintain: Some foods make you more fat than others, and it's not fat. The last 50 years prove that, for the US but also for other Western countries. We reduced fat, but we got fatter. And guess what: We're eating more carbs.
Do you have any evidence for the claim that low-carb is bad for general health, and unsuccessful? As far as keeping weight off in the longer term is concerned, I'm sure that anyone who is overweight knows that conventional diets are all unsuccessful. And even if you have the "willpower", you will constantly feel hungry. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:12
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Can't speak for anyone else, but for me the key was more exercise, more fruits, but less sugar (no regular sodas, candy only once a week - if that). Apart from that, I haven't really changed anything. As far as food goes, I still eat anything I want, as much as I want, but even so, I managed to lose ~ 19 kgs during the last year. Hungriness hasn't been an issue for me, but I'm well aware of the fact that the human body doesn't quite work the same way for everyone. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:20
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^ it also depends on many factors. Some people have peculiar metabolisms, for example I know someone who can eat all the sugar he wants, but he's always lean. Such freak occurrences aside, in your case I would probably be interested in what you really eat (besides fruits), how old you are, if you are obese or were obese when you changed the diet etc.. BTW: I do think that the human body works nearly the same for all of us (except the noted freak occurrences) as far as the metabolism of the basic nutrients are concerned. However, some factors can slightly alter the odds. For example, caffeine seems to raise insulin in some people. I've always been a fan of diet coke and I drink lots of coffee, so for all I know that might have contributed to my problem, while it might have had no effect on some other people. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:33
Reffering specifically to the Atkins diet, known as a Ketogenic diet, numerous official health care and disease research bodies have urged caution. Notably Cancer Research UK, and similar organisations in the US, have warned against high protein/fat diets, where carbs intake is minimal. In the short term weight is lost very quickly. This is chiefly down through body water loss. In the longer term, the body goes into a state of Ketosis ( a semi fasting state). As it's not getting it's energy from carbs, it starts to burn muscle mass instead of fat. Also, because the diet prohibits most fruit, and a lot of veg, the person misses out on many vital nutrients and antioxidant vitamins, which cant be sourced through vitamin supplements, despite what the the supplement industry may lead you to believe. This can lead to an increased risk of gastro-intestinal and colorectal cancers. Low carb diets can, apparently lead to liver problems, but I cant remember exactly why that is. So, in the short term, you will lose weight quickly with Atkins, but it is not a diet that should be sustained, by all accounts. Heart research charities have warned that it can cause damage to the heart, and raise cholestrol to dangerous levels too. The fats in the diet can often not be burned off effectively through exercise, because people on this diet often dont have sufficient energy to 'work out' because they haven't consumed sufficient carbs to provide that energy. I've known two people, in middle age, who tried Atkins. Both complained of frequently feeling nauseous and weak, and both were advised against it by their doctors. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:37
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^ I've a few people who tried Atkins. In all cases they lost weight too quickly, resulting in saggy wrinkled skin and a bony, withered appearance. It certainly doesn't look healthy.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:43
That's what happened to my friends dad who tried it. Also, after a month or so, on the diet, he went out to dinner one night, and decided to treat himself to a glass of wine, and feinted when he got up to the washroom...  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 12:51
This is completely true... I use to drink a Pepsi per day and ate a lot in restaurants (especially with my ex girl) and I gain maybe 10 pounds... but now I only drink sodas at weekends ant tries to eat homemade food and I see results...
Hi cal... low fat for me... ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 15:13
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Drastic diets are needed for drastic situations such as obesity. Low-carb diets can result in rapid weight loss if, and only if, they are accompanied by a net reduction in calorie intake - apparent weight reduction without reducing calories is the result of body-water loss not fat loss. Just as rapid weight gain is unnatural, so is rapid weight loss. To lose weight you have to starve your body so that it begins to consume its reserves of fat, your energy intake has to be less than your energy output regardless of where you get that energy from (be it protein, fat or carbohydrates or any combinations there of). In any weight-loss program there is also a danger that along with the loss of bad fat there is also a loss of good fat and good muscle - this needs to be monitored and changes made accordingly or there will be health risks involved.
Rapid loss down to your ideal weight (within acceptable margins) is a short-term effect - uncontrolled you will bounce back and your weight will fluctuate - for long term results the weight loss needs to be controlled so that as you approach the ideal weight the percentage loss is reduced accordingly. You cannot crash-diet to your ideal weight and then stop (well you can, but it is a short-term win, you will never be able to maintain that weight - this is where many "diets" fail). In other words the diet you are on needs to be adjusted as your weight decreases so that by the time you achieve your goal you are no longer on a weight-loss (negative energy) diet, but on an equilibrium diet where the energy in equals the energy out. That equilibrium diet should not be a restricted diet, it should be a balanced diet of fat, protein and carbohydrates - psychologically it must not feel like a diet or even a healthy eating regime, but a natural consumption of the food you enjoy eating at a respectable level to maintain your weight and health.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 15:31
You're certainly right about the water loss. But the upside is that along with the water loss there is usually also a drop in blood pressure. In any case, most serious low-carb books recommend to measure your weight loss progress in waist size, not weight.
I would object here. You're right that when you stop eating carbs, your body starts to convert protein to glucose in order to feed the brain. However, after a while ketosis sets in, which means that your liver starts to produce ketone bodies (from fat), which can then be metabolized by the brain. In any case, on a low-carb diet it's vital to eat sufficient protein. Which isn't all that hard, since you're allowed to eat meat, eggs and dairy products.
Eskimos thrive on a zero carb diet (they eat a few berries in the summer, the rest is fat meat) without any cancer, and without developing symptoms of malnutrition - the same is true for western people who join them. On the other hand, Eskimos get the same diseases that we get once they adopt a western lifestyle (read: carbs from agriculture). I strongly recommend the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taube if you're interested in nutrition ... it's a long read, but he basically describes the whole history of dieting and nutritional science in the last century.
Heart research charities and institutions are tainted by the misconception that fats are bad and carbs are good that got started when Ancel Keys published his studies in the early 1970s. Everybody approved and people bought into the idea to such an extent that when the results didn't confirm the predictions, everybody was too committed to admit it. This is why even today doctors will still recommend low-fat, high-carb diets even when they know that they're more likely to cause harm than prevent it. You're welcome to disagree of course, but this is my opinion after having read about a dozen books on the subject. I've eaten almost no carbs at all in the last 48 hours - only fat and protein (well, I had a teaspoon of glucose for sweetening in my tea yesterday, and a tablespoon of dried berries this morning). Yet I've just completed a strenuous exercise in the gym: Lat Pull: 2x7x50kg Shoulder Press: 2x7x35kg Dips: 2x7x70kg Butterfly: 2x7x28kg Reverse Butterfly: 2x7x15kg Lower Chest: 3x8x40kg Mid Chest: 3x8x40kg High Chest: 3x8x20kg Rowing: 3x7x70kg Lat Pull Variation: 3x8x70kg And afterwards I walked the 1km back home. What did I eat today? Morning: Two glasses of milk, one cappuccino with cream, tablespoon of dried berries Lunch: A big piece of cooked salmon (must have been about 10 ounces) with mushrooms, vegetables (low-starch) and sauce hollandaise Dinner (before going to the gym): One sausage EDIT: Supper: two stirred eggs with bacon and cream, one big slice of cheese (Gouda) I swear, I didn't feel any more exhausted as usual after the workout (back when I was eating carbs). Actually, I feel better - though slightly dehydrated (I'm having three glasses of water now).
Fatigue is often encountered during the induction phase. It means a lot of stress for the body, because it has to change its configuration. It used to optimize itself (to the extent possible) for carbohydrate consumption, now it must change to fat consumption. Obviously, the older you are the more difficult it is to do that, and there can be health hazards along the way. But then again you can also try to wean your body off the carbohydrates slowly, and simply reduce them by some extent and see how that is going. Well, thanks for your comments and I hope my answers didn't offend you - as always, I don't mince words about my position. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 15:37
When you cut the soda drinks, you're reducing carbs, not fat ... so that move would actually be low-carb. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 15:48
I disagree. I already agreed about the loss of water with Blacksword, but IMO you're using the theory of energy balance which essentially says that you have to eat less calories than you expend in order to lose weight. What if carbohydrates mess up your hormones, especially insulin? Then your body would be forced to store more energy (fat) than it would normally do. It's interesting then that most obese people have elevated insulin (called hyperinsulinemia). Many studies have shown that many of these obese people will not lose weight when they eat less (but still carbs) than they expend. Why? Because their body can safe energy in other areas in order to compensate for the reduced caloric intake. The elevated insulin prevents it from burning fat. What do you think about that approach? Most of it is based on scientific facts - theories that on their own aren't disputed by any serious physician, and have been in medical textbooks for decades. And if George Cahill's famous statement is true: "carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat" Then only by reducing the elevated insulin levels can we get rid of the excess fat, and the only way to reduce insulin is to reduce carbohydrate intake.
I'm currently reading about the Protein Power diet, and it is designed as a life long plan. It has two induction phases with rigorous carbohydrate reduction while maintaining sufficient proteins, and a maintenance phase which you can essentially reach by slowly upping carbohydrate intake until you start to gain weight. Its whole philosophy is to correct the metabolic imbalance and achieve a lean and powerful body. Now, of course for pathologically obese people in their 40s who lose 30% of their weight this might mean a few wrinkles ... but hey, I would rather have wrinkles than carrying all that weight around every day. And let's not forget that if this diet also achieves lower blood pressure and better blood values (blood sugar, triglycerides, LDL/HDL) ... what else could you ask? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 15:53
I would need some more information about the guy before making a judgement. One possibility would be that he was on medication for high blood pressure and didn't adjust the medication correctly, that's actually one of the things that they repeatedly warn about in the Protein Power book. Of course with elder people, who may be suffering from a variety of conditions, you have to be careful when you make such a change in diet. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 17:16
hmmm... interesting... well, if I do that AND besides do the low carb, it's better isn´t? I'm not sure... but I'm not that stricted about it... instead of 7 tortillas, I ate 3 or 4... and that's carb... I guess... crap...!!! I don't get it...!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 23 2010 at 22:28
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I am 6'2" and used to weigh 210 pounds, but over the last month and a half I got back down to the 185 I weighed before college by only eating sugar from the grains/vegetables I normally eat and a single apple, not eating between meals, and deliberately reducing my portion sizes. This got much easier because as I ate less I was less hungry and I realized you don't need sugar. I can easily see myself continuing this pretty much forever. I assume, however, that losing 5 pounds a week without really trying is not typical.
I pretty much 100% agree with Lustig, and I think Taubes has some good points, but I refuse to believe inducing ketosis is a good idea. This is not based in any science, I just can't fathom that it can be healthy to trick your body into thinking it is starving to death.
8 ounces of orange juice has about 21 grams of sugar while 8 ounces of Coke has 27 grams. Any fruit juice is better than Coke, but it's still much, much worse than water, and it's amazing that so many people have been tricked into thinking that it's a net positive. The only difference between the sugar in orange juice and HFCS is that HFCS has 5% more fructose. That doesn't mean orange juice will seriously impact your health if you're already healthy, but people drink it in an attempt to be "healthy". This is especially a problem with children. As an illustration of how screwed up we are, today I was at the grocery store and a chocolate covered apple said on the box "Healthy never tasted so good!"
8 ounces of orange juice is the juice from 3 oranges, so it's an entirely different thing. And with an actual orange you get the fiber too, which helps processing the sugar. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 02:10
"Carbs" is short for carbohydrates - it includes sugar, anything made with flour, rice, pasta, starchy vegetables (potatoes, beans, peas, corn) and fruit (the sweeter, the more carbs). Tortillas for example are high-carb because of the wrapper (made from corn, I believe) and if they contain starchy vegetables like beans. The low-carb solution when you encounter tortillas would be to only eat the contents, and skip the beans. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 02:24
Ketosis doesn't mean that you're starving to death. I think the correct term would be "fasting", meaning that you don't eat anything over extended periods of time (obviously you'll still drink water though). Of course that would induce ketosis, and while I am absolutely sure that you can lose weight rapidly with fasting, I would never recommend it. What low-carb means is that you switch from carbs to fat and protein. Ketosis will also begin once your body is forced to draw its energy from fats rather than carbs (Ketone bodies are created when your body metabolizes fatty acids). But that doesn't necessarily mean that your body thinks that it's starving. There have been many studies which show that people still lose weight on low-carb diets even on caloric intakes of more than 2,000 calories a day. My current best recommendation is in line with the Protein Power approach: - low-carb - adequate-protein (calculated based on your estimated lean body mass) - high-fat (they don't stress this in the book - they simply don't limit the amount of fat. But of course you'll lose weight somewhat lesser if you gorge on fat. Fortunately it is difficult to take pleasure from gorging on fat once you take the carbs away that usually come with it - think chocolate without sugar, cake without sugar or flour etc.. Regardless, you'll typically consume more fat than the "industry" recommendation of 30% - my guess is at least 50% - making this a high-fat diet) Adequate protein intake combined with exercise is vital in order to stimulate growth hormone and to prevent your body from using lean tissue in the process. Unfortunately people who try to lose weight on a high-carbs diet usually don't take in enough protein, and since elevated insulin (induced by the carbs) also lowers growth hormone, the body will feed on itself, too (metabolize protein from least used areas of the body in order to repair tissue). I know a few people who are suffering from that effect - one of them is even running marathons. The word "emaciated" never made more sense to me. These people have to run if they want to stay slim for all their life. As far as I'm concerned, my target is "lean". ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 02:36
Another thought on that ... maybe there's a pattern in the contradictions. Outlining that pattern is one of the key aspect of Gary Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories". When you're faced with contradicting studies, you have two options: Either you say "to hell with studies" or you say "let's find out which of the conflicting positions is more likely to be true". And I can say that in my honest opinion, after having read those books, there are far more good reasons to believe the low-carb position than the high-carb position. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 05:25
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Mr Progfreak. No offence taken at all. Why would there be?
Doctors sometimes disagree with each other, but as yet, I've not been aware of a GP who thinks the Atkins diet is a healthy or sustainable approach to weight loss. Family doctors dont have any vested interest in advising against this diet. I dont mean any offence to you, but someone who may be desparate to lose weight, will seek literature, and other information sources that offer somekind of approval for these crash diets. I would agree that a high carb diet is not conducive to weight loos, and this is why the type of carbs you consume should be moderated, but certainly not illiminated or drastically reduced. Whole grain cereal is a good source of slow release, high fibre carbohydrate. Carbs from rice, pasta and potato, can be significantly reduced, but I dont think should be banished. Have you tried the type of diets where you dont eat carbs and proteins together in the same meal? My mums partner tried that - through slimming world I think - and it worked quite well. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 06:46
Well, if you accept the proposition that such a diet might remove symptoms like obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and high cholesterol, I certainly see a vested interest on behalf of the doctors - it would mean that they lost an easy to treat patient (in terms of diagnosis and medication, not in terms of an actual cure). And on top of that, the diet is in conflict with the current paradigma "low-fat, high-carb", so if any doctor was to recommend "high-fat/protein, low-carb", they would have a lot of explaining to do. So these medical doctors (maybe even without any harmful intent) might just be playing it safe.
I don't think that I'm "desperate". But I am disillusioned as to the "high-carb, low-fat, just eat less and exercise" approach. I am in favor of low-carb because not only is it different than this other approach which I *know* for a fact doesn't work, but also because the reasoning behind low-carb makes sense, and many scientific facts support it. IMO the worst thing about this situation is that so many doctors and nutritionists are ignoring these facts. Well, maybe the fact that many studies that are critical of low-carb are funded by big food corporations gives us a clue ... why on earth would they be interested if people stopped eating those easy to produce high carb foods and drinks?
I think that such an approach can work if at the same time carbs are reduced. Many successful diets try to sneak in the reduction of carbs while drawing the focus on other aspects of the diet - maybe to avoid drawing criticism from the majority of nutritionists advocating high-carb. In any case, when it comes to biochemistry I still think that the *cause* of the problem is carbohydrate. Carbohydrate drives Insulin drives Fat. So anything you do to reduce carbs is good. Many people posted here claiming that they lost weight when they eliminated the sugar from sodas, for example. That's a clear path from reduced carbs to weight loss. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 08:05
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^^ A lot comes down to an individuals metabolism. My diet is quite high in carbs. I could probably do with cutting down on sugar a little. But I excercise, quite agressively three times a week, in the gym, my weight is stable and has been for some years.
Whatever you settle on as a dietry choice, just remember to 'listen' to your body. If the weight is falling off, but you feel like sh!t, you have to ask if it's worth it, and maybe explore another route. Good luck! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 09:06
| So what happened - got sick of atheism and now low-carb is your current crusade? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 09:59
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^ no luck ... I'm still an atheist. But I can see the parallel lines of thought ... in a way, both atheism and low-carb lie at the end of pathways of logical reasoning and evaluation of the available facts. But to the faithful I can say that I'm very sure that there's no pathway between them - so following the low-carb guidelines won't endanger your faith. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 10:04
I was thinking the parallels were more about you spawning 13 different threads about this and annoying everyone. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 10:34
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Two threads, not thirteen - and the older one is already gathering dust. I created this poll because I thought that a poll would attract more attention, and I guess I was right. BTW: This is the "General Polls" section ... if you're annoyed by non-music polls here, I'd recommend that you simply ignore them.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 13:46
thanks... but I don't really think too much on my diet I see... because I do eat a lot of beans, potatoes and tortillas... so, no low carb for me then...!!!  but interesting... really... thank Mike... ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 14:08
I'm just busting your chops Mike. Lighten up. Have some pasta. Wait - does this mean you don't drink beer? And you're German? Ouch.  |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 24 2010 at 20:13
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Viagra. Anything that may give you a four hour erection, because let's face it, you're going to have to work that off somehow. Also get some of those drugs that make you sleepwalk. Wait a second, we're already on page 5 and just three votes? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 03:03
Of course I know you weren't entirely serious. But on the topic of beer ... even on the Protein Power diet you can still have that. Alcohol puts the breaks on fat metabolism though, so if you're having it you have to be aware that it will delay the weight loss. Generally, this Protein Power diet demands very strict calculation of carbohydrates and protein during phase 1 (comparable to the induction phase of the Atkins diet), then lightens that during phase 2 (which you can enter when your fat approaches normal levels and/or when your metabolic values return to normal - such as blood pressure, blood triglycerides, cholesterol etc), and after that you enter maintenance (for the rest of your life, if you're willing) where you can slowly up the carbohydrates until (and before) you're starting to gain weight again. Usually that means around 100g (three ounces) of carbohydrates a day, balanced with protein and fat. And for me that translates into beer very well, or dry red wine (which has become my favorite alcoholic drink, aside from JWB ).------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: June
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 20:05
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Mmm... I diet thread an no women posting? Oh, right... Quoting Dr. Phil here, but one thing I know is true for a lot of women: lose the hurt, lose the weight. It doesn't have really much to do with what you eat, but I find that a lot of girls (I'm sure it's true for some men too) tend to eat their emotions, something like that. I have seen some women's dress size increase everytime they're having relationship issues, and that usually makes things worse. You feel bad about something, you eat, you put on weight, you feel bad about that, you eat more... Quite the vicious circle. I think some careful examination of the state of your life is quite helpful to lose weight. You need to figure out why you've put on the weight in the first place, to figure out what needs to be worked on exactly. In my case, after uni, it was really working quite far away from home, and spending 2 hours a day in the car, coming home too tired to do any exercise. I've made the changes than needed to be done, found plenty of time in my schedule to get daily exercise. Another thing too: all those diet sodas and fake sugars, get rid of them. They mess up your tastes buds. Nothing tastes as sweet as it really is because of them, so you need more sugar to satisfy those cravings. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 02:15
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^ Having read so much about physiology, about how different types of foods affect the hormonal balance and enzymatic activity in our body, I can't agree with your statement that "it doesn't have really much to do with *what* you eat". However, I do agree that there can be psychological reasons for overeating, and stress can affect your hormones, too. If you accept the latter to be true (chronic stress -> hormonal imbalance -> fat storage) then maybe the other mechanisms might intrigue you, too ... I strongly recommend the book "Protein Power" on in depth information about how all the mechanisms in your body are affected by *what* you eat (most importantly, insulin and glucagon). As far as diet sodas and fake sugars are concerned: I think that they stimulate the taste buds as much as regular sugar does. But I agree that the more ultra-sweet things you eat, the more will your taste buds adjust. So my recommendation would be to eat less sweet things. That way the other stuff will taste more interesting, and when you eat something sweet only occasionally, the sensation is intensified. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 02:34
I have tried all sorts in my time on this Big Blue Ball and I guess everyone works differently but High protein, Low fat seems to be the most successful for losing weight but keeping energy. The sad thing is just one drink turns the diet into High protein/HIGH fat ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 02:45
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^ With the Protein Power approach you get adequate protein, low-carbs and the rest is fat. The idea is that based on your lean body mass you calculate the amount of protein you need - then you build your diet around that minimum protein requirement (you can eat more protein if you like) and make sure that you limit the carbs to around 30g. For a typical 6 foot male person this amounts to approximately 100g of protein and 30g of carbs each day. You don't need to count fat calories or total calories - but of course you have to be aware that when you gorge on fat you probably won't lose as much weight as you hoped. However - and I can confirm this from first hand experience - it's difficult to gorge on fat if you leave out the carbs. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: March 27 2010 at 12:38
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Two words - crystal meth. Just kidding. Amphetamines were commonly prescribed for weight loss before the realization that addiction, heart disease, and dental problems were common consequences. I did not vote in the poll because the correct answer is - see your doctor. The condition of your health needs to be determined, along with consideration of any medications you take (including over the counter products) before an effective diet can be prescribed without serious consequences. This has been a public service announcement. ------------- "The pointy birds are pointy pointy Anoint my head anointy nointy" Steve Martin The Man With Two Brains |
Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: March 27 2010 at 12:56
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I enjoy eating fruit, eggs and meat. Also, do some pushups and crunches, fatties. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/moe_blunts/?chartstyle=minimalDarkRecent"> 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 27 2010 at 13:52
No vegetables? That's highly unhealthy. Oh, and by the way, post your pics before calling us fatties  (but I still wonder how you discovered it anyway... I never posted my photo, no one can know I'm overweighted!). |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 23:24
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Balance Balance Balance with a side of moderation.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 01:28
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Everything in moderation, especially moderation.
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 08:16
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Eat less and do more exercise! ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 04 2010 at 08:56
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Beer and donuts. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
