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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2009 at 03:19
^Why/How'd you pay 300$ for BC&SL?

And SC was one of my first DT albums, which I loved at the time, but the effect has really worn off one me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2009 at 03:05
^ That is one great thing about them - they pretty much defined the sound of progressive metal... twice!
Once with Images and Words, then again with SFAM. Both of those are completely different sounds, and influenced thousands of clones.
And i pretty much love every DT album. I got into them with Systematic, and i still love the awesome chunky riffs in Dark Eternal and Constant Motion. But I wasn't too happy with Black Clouds.. especially since i paid $300 for it! It just wasn't the fufilling meal every other album had been...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2009 at 02:56
^Well I think Black Clouds is a damn fine album.  In fact I've loved them all since SFAM.
 
Friday night I go to see DT with Opeth on the PN09 tour............can't wait.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2009 at 02:52
They just need to calm down... it's like listening to a classroom of 8-year-olds on red cordial... and i think that's what some proggers find bad about them. I think they tried to fix this in Best of Times and Count of Tuscany on Black Clouds, but Best of Times ended up pretty damn cheesy, and Count of Tuscany, well, i don't even want to begin on what went wrong there...

Seriously, couldn't they just keep the first five minutes/last five minutes and scrap the rest?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2009 at 00:24

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I actually like what Rudess has done in Dream Theater, as someone said, insane, but cooly insane. I also liked what Moore did with Dream Theater, in a rather different way. I guess Rudess actually fits better with the rest of Dream Theater than Moore, and thus Dream Theater actually reached it's sound with the inclusion of Rudess. On the other hand, perhaps Moore, while not fitting so well as Rudess on the band style, actually helped them to make a more diverse style, and soften and slow down the sound of the band. In the end I guess both of them gave great things to the band and it's albums while they have been with the band.

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Rudess is great, technically. There are things that he can do whic KM can't deliver. On the other hands, there things that KM can deliver and JR just can't. 

I just happened to like what KM can give to Progressive Rock (which is the first three DT albums) much better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 22:35
And by the way, Rudess definitly doesn't suck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 22:35
I actually like what Rudess has done in Dream Theater, as someone said, insane, but cooly insane. I also liked what Moore did with Dream Theater, in a rather different way. I guess Rudess actually fits better with the rest of Dream Theater than Moore, and thus Dream Theater actually reached it's sound with the inclusion of Rudess. On the other hand, perhaps Moore, while not fitting so well as Rudess on the band style, actually helped them to make a more diverse style, and soften and slow down the sound of the band. In the end I guess both of them gave great things to the band and it's albums while they have been with the band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 20:53
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I wouldn't hate on him if he didn't suck. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 20:52
I wouldn't hate on him if he didn't suck. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:11
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Rudess might actually be my favorite keyboard player. I just love his style.
Agreed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:10
Rudess is insane. While Images and Words, with Moore, is awesome many of DT's other albums with Rudess, Ocatavarium and Scenes, sound even better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:09
Rudess might actually be my favorite keyboard player. I just love his style.

Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 19:03
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

What's all of the Rudess hating!?!?!?!


Not hating - I just find him to be too technically based for my ears. He's great, but I've always found his playing lacks the same genuine feeling as that of Kevin Moore (my favourite DT pianist).

Also, I just prefer all of the albums without Rudess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:59
What's all of the Rudess hating!?!?!?!

Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 18:57
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


This is what boggles my mind about Rudess. When he plays piano, he's an amazingly gifted musician. When he touches a keyboard he decides to use it as a substitute for his right hand and KY Jelly.


This is true.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:40
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


This is what boggles my mind about Rudess. When he plays piano, he's an amazingly gifted musician. When he touches a keyboard he decides to use it as a substitute for his right hand and KY Jelly.


This is true.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 22:10
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


This is what boggles my mind about Rudess. When he plays piano, he's an amazingly gifted musician. When he touches a keyboard he decides to use it as a substitute for his right hand and KY Jelly.


This is true.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 21:55
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

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I borrowed a copy of An Evening With John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess from a friend, and let me tell you, it blew out any preconceptions I had about Petrucci and Rudess.

I often (stupidly) thought of Rudess as a juvenile and immature keyboardist, only really concerned with technicality. This showed another whole side and dimension to both of the masters, and is really worth a listen for big DT fans!



-Joel

This is what boggles my mind about Rudess. When he plays piano, he's an amazingly gifted musician. When he touches a keyboard he decides to use it as a substitute for his right hand and KY Jelly.



Thats exactly how I feel about it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 21:53
I also have An Evening with JP & JR, and I find it a nice listening, but I never really got to love that stuff. I enjoy it more as background music. And certainly, Dream Theater fans shoul take this album with precaution, for it's got about nothing to do with Dream Theater (except for Petrucci and Rudess, ofcourse). On the other hand, I really loved the Liquid Tension Experiment albums (well, not all their songs, but the good ones are really great). I guess there's a better chance for a Dream Theater fan to like LTE than an Evening with JP & JR.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 21:52
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

^

I borrowed a copy of An Evening With John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess from a friend, and let me tell you, it blew out any preconceptions I had about Petrucci and Rudess.

I often (stupidly) thought of Rudess as a juvenile and immature keyboardist, only really concerned with technicality. This showed another whole side and dimension to both of the masters, and is really worth a listen for big DT fans!



-Joel

This is what boggles my mind about Rudess. When he plays piano, he's an amazingly gifted musician. When he touches a keyboard he decides to use it as a substitute for his right hand and KY Jelly.
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