Why are we such bigots? (or are we?)

I listen to a lot of music : funk, world, folk, jazz, classical, blues, metal, pop/rock, soul... Prog has a lot to offer but many gems stem from other musical genres.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Why bigots or even snobs?   Because we know what we like and whar we don't like?   There are lots of music I like, there's outstanding Pop, excellent mainstream Rock, Hard Rock, Metal, Jazz, Fusion, Country, Folk even some Punk..   But I don't like Rap or Hip Hop, I don't have to like everything, if you like rap and Hip Hop good for you, but don't judge people for not liking everything, I don't consider Rap as music, but some sort of street poetry with music in the background, and Hip Hop the worst thing that happened to music....And what about it?   I'm sure there's lots of music you don't like.   BTW: Bigotry is an offensive term  related mainly with intollerance or hatred against an ethnic, racial or religious group, so shouldn't be used to qualify people who simply know what they like and what they don't.   Iván

I would have been perfectly fine with that post except for "I don't consider Rap as music, but some sort of street poetry with music in the background, and Hip Hop the worst thing that happened to music....And what about it?"

take a look at the brilliant explenation of rap/hip-hip by Anderson III which i beleive you should have read already.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58805&PN=1




Edited by hitting_singularity2 - June 24 2009 at 00:36

I have a quite varied music collection which includes a lot of folk and country music, though I'll admit most of it came out before the 80's. However, none of my thousands of albums (CD, vinyl & cassette) are rap/hip-hop. This is music that is dependent upon attitude, and, much like metal, the vocals are always "in your face". Why would I want to have somebody standing 4 inches from my face, yelling at me? Another point: this is music that is 99% rhythm; I have an article out of a Dallas newspaper from a few years ago that detailed a study by scientists wherein subjects' brain activity was scanned while various types of music were played. Classical music with melody and counterpoint caused several areas of the brain to "light up", while simple 4/4 rhythms with no musical accompaniment resulted in only one tiny area of the brain to be stimulated. I haven't heard the Mike Patton stuff mentioned by the originator of the post, although I love some other things he's done, so I can only go by what rap/hip-hop I've heard. To me, the lyrics are cliched and simplistic, which doesn't cut it for me. I think many people need their music to "rock" (I don't), and so rap/hip-hop fills that void. BTW, I'll be the first to admit that there's a lot more bad prog than good, no genre gets a free pass from me.

Atavachron wrote:   Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I'm sure that in no POP site people jump to defend Prog when the music we like is attacked...why must we? because we're not bigots

I miss the days when there was no politically correct and you were allowed to say you like A and not B without having to apologize for having a defined taste.

The press, the DJ's, most musical sites and magazines are allowed to say that Prog is crap and they sell more, there's even a site that qualifies ELP as the worst band ever.

I'm sure that in no POP site people jump to defend Prog when the music we like is attacked...why must we?

Iván

Why bigots or even snobs?

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 23 2009 at 22:58

we're not bigots, we're snobs- a bigot rejects things unlike himself, a snob is at least inclusive of all things he appreciates

Logan wrote: clarke2001 wrote: Raff wrote: One thing is for sure: I'd take good pop any day over bad prog. I'll just say one thing: there are no good or bad genres, there's only good or bad music! Seconded.  Now I'm off to seach for some good Crunk and Emo.

I would think that anybody would say that. But then again, Ayreon has fans so I don't know. ;-)

I think every genre has the capacity to be bold, brilliant, and innovative. For me personally and what I subjectively enjoy in music, prog is the best pick. But there are all sorts of good artists from plenty of different genres, if you look hard enough, and even if I don't like them I can at least respect what they do.

I think country and hip-hop are the most targeted (just about anywhere, not only here) because the mainstream variants of each set themselves up for an easy fall. If you're in the mood to take someone down, a guy who sings about how great his truck is or how Texas is the best country in the world, or some dude who's rapping about how big his rims are and how he's gonna cap you with an AK-47 is a pretty easy target. You don't have to put a whole lot of thought, time, or effort into insulting them - they more or less do it for you.

clarke2001 wrote: Raff wrote: One thing is for sure: I'd take good pop any day over bad prog. I'll just say one thing: there are no good or bad genres, there's only good or bad music!

Seconded.  Now I'm off to seach for some good Crunk and Emo.