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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:26
I'd place it in my top 5 Yes albums, which is saying a lot since I love Yes for the most part.  I like "Revealing Science of God" the best - when it hits the refrain, "What happened...." it's a real emotional moment.  Chris Squire and Steve Howe sound really great throughout the album, very daring and emotive parts they play.  Wakeman and White seem just a tad disengaged to me, but it doesn't hurt the music really.
 
It took me a while to like the album, but I think I seriously reconsidered it as an essential work once I heard "Revealing" live on the Keys to Ascension set, the performance "revealing" the subtle power of the piece.  "The Ancient" is another great piece, with strange percussion and guitar cacophany and relatively few lyrics. 
 
One common criticism against the album has always been about the lyrics.  I've never quite understood this argument - I don't really understand what he's singing about either, but hey, it sounds good, so what's the problem?  I couldn't care less if they're pretentious or not.... Anderson and Howe obviously spent a lot of time composing them, so they must have some strong feelings about them, so if its true to their thoughts and feelings, who am I to criticize them simply because I don't relate in the same way?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:26
My introduction to TFTO was in a book that I bought some 20 years ago that listed the author's top 100 greatest and worst albums of all time.  TFTO made both lists.  It was described both as a work of art and masterpiece and as total rubbish made by pompus and arrogant musicians (or something along those lines).  The first time that I heard anything from TFTO was when I was in attendance at my first Yes concert during the Union tour.  They played this song that I didn't know that just went on and on and on and on and during this time most of the crowd decided to take bathroom breaks or go on beer runs.  I was intrigued, but mostly bored because I didn't know what it was and it wasn't Owner of a Lonely Heart or Roundabout. LOLEmbarrassed  It was later when I was purchasing the back catalogue that I finally bought the double CD.  Because it was a double CD I found it difficult to sit through and really only listened to it a few times before I put it on the shelf and decided that it belonged in the 100 worst albums of all time category.  Over the years, I have purchased most of the Yes DVD's and Live albums and I have heard the various songs from TFTO played live both in person and on this other media.  I also learned to appreciate and love long songs/epics which I never had the attention span for in the past.  I have listened to TFTO a few more times in recent years and I do believe that the additional exposure to the individual songs and the changes to my listening tastes and habits have had a positive effect on my opinion of TFTO.  The last time I listened to it a month or so ago, I absolutely loved it and now it resides in my 100 best albums of all time category.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:24
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Yes, you should - it's very goodBig smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:19
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^The Hokey Cokey" maybe?

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Sorry, I just checked and there is apparently an American version,,,which is what you are talking about!

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Never heard of "The Hokey Cokey".  Is it the same thing, just played much faster?  Big smile


Great.  Not one page into the Tales from Topographic Oceans discussion thread, and we're talking about the friggin Hokey Pokey. AngryLOL

Its Hokey Cokey I tells ya!Angry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:16
Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

I had the great fortune to purchase and listen to the album (in 1994) before anyone told me it was supposed to be a self indulgent, overreaching load of bollocks Smile   Actually, one friend did suggest that he was hesitant to listen to it because he was afraid Yes had gone too far with that one.  But other than that, I didn't know it was supposed to be controversial and that even Yes fans had trouble liking it.

I wasn't sure what to make of it the first few listens, but one day while I was canvassing neighborhoods for a citizens group I did work for at the time, I couldn't get the melody from one of the tracks out of my head ("What happened, to this song, we once knew so well?"....etc.).  It quickly became my favorite Yes album of them all.  Relayer supplanted it for a couple of months, but it was quickly back in rotation.

For me, it's just an amazing piece of work.  Great melodies in abundance,  but not always repeated like they would do on earlier albums.  Incredible atmospheres that seemed to always fit the theme of the piece.  Howe's guitar playing is consistently great.  Despite his unhappiness with the album, Wakeman plays some of his most beautiful atmospheric synth parts ever.  Even the lyrics I feel are beautiful (I actually began to think that Anderson was really a Christian because of a lot of those lyrics........despite the whole album be based on a book by a Yogi).  It's bascially more of an experience than an album.  It's the rare album for me where the phrase "musical journey" actually applies and isn't just a cliche.

But really, it's an emotional response that defines my love of the album.  Something I can't easily put into words.  It was the perfect album at the perfect time for me.  I hardly ever listen to it now, as I listened to it so consistently for at least 5 years (and broke it out a few times a year for the next 5).  My review of the album is far more objective than what I've written here, and I've considered rewriting it completely.  When I reflect, 15 years after hearing it for the first time, I am sympathetic to a lot of the criticisms.  It could have been a great single album of 4 10 minute tracks.  The rest of the band could have held Steve and Jon back a bit, injected their own ideas more.  But none of that happened, thankfully.  But I can understand people not liking it nowadays (back then, I couldn't imagine why I seemed to be the only one of all my friends who loved the album so passionately).

Anyway, it will always be one of my favorite albums and I will always give Yes credit for ignoring the expectations of their fans and the press and just doing whatever the hell they wanted.  It does seem like a love it or hate it type album and I'm sure that is why.  Personally, I like it more than Close To The Edge and Fragile, as complete albums (though there are individual tracks I prefer over any of the tracks on Tales......Heart of the Sunrise and Siberian Khatru specifically).

Well, I've rambled on too long it seems.  I guess I should have made this my review of the album.  Maybe I still should?  Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:14
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^The Hokey Cokey" maybe?

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Sorry, I just checked and there is apparently an American version,,,which is what you are talking about!

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Never heard of "The Hokey Cokey".  Is it the same thing, just played much faster?  Big smile


Great.  Not one page into the Tales from Topographic Oceans discussion thread, and we're talking about the friggin Hokey Pokey. AngryLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 13:12
I had the great fortune to purchase and listen to the album (in 1994) before anyone told me it was supposed to be a self indulgent, overreaching load of bollocks Smile   Actually, one friend did suggest that he was hesitant to listen to it because he was afraid Yes had gone too far with that one.  But other than that, I didn't know it was supposed to be controversial and that even Yes fans had trouble liking it.

I wasn't sure what to make of it the first few listens, but one day while I was canvassing neighborhoods for a citizens group I did work for at the time, I couldn't get the melody from one of the tracks out of my head ("What happened, to this song, we once knew so well?"....etc.).  It quickly became my favorite Yes album of them all.  Relayer supplanted it for a couple of months, but it was quickly back in rotation.

For me, it's just an amazing piece of work.  Great melodies in abundance,  but not always repeated like they would do on earlier albums.  Incredible atmospheres that seemed to always fit the theme of the piece.  Howe's guitar playing is consistently great.  Despite his unhappiness with the album, Wakeman plays some of his most beautiful atmospheric synth parts ever.  Even the lyrics I feel are beautiful (I actually began to think that Anderson was really a Christian because of a lot of those lyrics........despite the whole album be based on a book by a Yogi).  It's bascially more of an experience than an album.  It's the rare album for me where the phrase "musical journey" actually applies and isn't just a cliche.

But really, it's an emotional response that defines my love of the album.  Something I can't easily put into words.  It was the perfect album at the perfect time for me.  I hardly ever listen to it now, as I listened to it so consistently for at least 5 years (and broke it out a few times a year for the next 5).  My review of the album is far more objective than what I've written here, and I've considered rewriting it completely.  When I reflect, 15 years after hearing it for the first time, I am sympathetic to a lot of the criticisms.  It could have been a great single album of 4 10 minute tracks.  The rest of the band could have held Steve and Jon back a bit, injected their own ideas more.  But none of that happened, thankfully.  But I can understand people not liking it nowadays (back then, I couldn't imagine why I seemed to be the only one of all my friends who loved the album so passionately).

Anyway, it will always be one of my favorite albums and I will always give Yes credit for ignoring the expectations of their fans and the press and just doing whatever the hell they wanted.  It does seem like a love it or hate it type album and I'm sure that is why.  Personally, I like it more than Close To The Edge and Fragile, as complete albums (though there are individual tracks I prefer over any of the tracks on Tales......Heart of the Sunrise and Siberian Khatru specifically).

Well, I've rambled on too long it seems.  I guess I should have made this my review of the album.  Maybe I still should?  Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:57
I just re-read my review of it, and I haven't changed my mind. A flawed masterpiece, which is essential to own for all students and fans of the genre, if only to understand what happened in the mid 1970's as a result of works like it.

At times, the album stuns me with its sheer beauty and breathtaking audacity. But it is exceptionally rare these days that I can listen to it all in one sitting, and I hold to my opinion that an album of the same length as CTTE would have been regarded as the epitome of progressive rock.

I will never slate this album, nor, indeed, the band, who I have loved for over 32 years now. They certainly made far worse, and it can certainly be argued that, rather than wallowing in self indulgence, they were exercising the true progressive mantra by pushing all of the boundaries existing at the time. Unfortunately, most people thought they were wallowing in self indulgenceLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:52
Yes superior in many respects to CTTE in my opinion. The 4 side long epics all providing complexity, balance and pure vintage prog. It was remarkable that after this great album they still managed Gates of Delirium, another side long classic.
 
I have always been confused by some of the negative hype around this album. Perhaps that lends further substance to the album's mystique.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:49
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^The Hokey Cokey" maybe?

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Sorry, I just checked and there is apparently an American version,,,which is what you are talking about!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:45
^The Hokey Cokey" maybe?

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Sorry, I just checked and there is apparently an American version,,,which is what you are talking about!

Tongue



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:42
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

One of the greatest ever, in my top 5 for sure.  The definition of progressive rock.  So much better than CTTE. 

Its what its all about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:30
I don't listen to it much anymore because it's been in my collection for so long and has already been listened to so many times.  What do I like about it?  The cover art.  The side long tracks.  Their first (and only?) two LP studio effort.  It's the Rodney Dangerfield of Yes albums.  For me, everything from The Yes Album through to Going For The One are essential Yes and five star worthy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:29
Never heard of it. Is it a record from an exciting  music group from England?

just kidding Big smile. I had to check and see if I ever reviewed it here to see what I thought of it. Hands down Roger Dean`s  artwork  is my favourite he ever did for Yes. When I first started listening to progrock aa couple of years after it was released I thought it was the most profound musical statement ever made. After getting into gazillions of other bands the fascination kind of faded away and I very rarely throw it on. Only when a certain friend comes over really.

 I bought the Keys To Ascension CD back in `97 and was suprised to see The Revealing Science Of God included with Rick on keyboards, the guy who left in disgust as a result of everything about it. Story goes that Vangelis flatly refused a job offer to replace him. I think Revealing Science was a good choice for the Ascension DVD/CD, definitely the best work from TFTO.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:20
I wrote novels listening to this album.

It is my favorite album of all time, the one I would haul with me to that fabled desert island if I only got one.

Much of the time I can't bring myself to listen to it because it's so amazing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:18
Yup, few easy hooks, few sing-along choruses like CTTE to get sick of.  Just plenty of dense, intricate, absorbing, complex beauty for which the layers unfold over time.
 
As I've said before, it's one of the few albums I've heard for decades that still surprises me with each listen.  I can't say that about CTTE, Selling England, or Dark Side.  Topographic is an unequivocal masterpiece and treasure of music. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:14
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

One of the greatest ever, in my top 5 for sure.  The definition of progressive rock.  So much better than CTTE. 

Its what its all about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:13
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

It reeks of self indulgence to me. I never play it now - any attempt to extract it from the shelf leads to a quick diversion to CTTE, The Yes Album or Relayer. Too ambitious, overblown and pretentious. 2* for me.


That's fine, but it might be a bit more helpful if you could explain why you see it as self-indulgent, over-blown and pretentious.

That really applies to everyone as well. I guess the more in-depth you go with your opinions, the better. If you haven't got the time, that's life, but it seems to me that if you really want to engage in a good discussion, you've got to open by stopping and considering what qualities you think the album has, why you think it has those qualities, and how to articulate that. Saying that an album is "magical" or "rubbish" without going into why you think it's so isn't really conducive to discussion, which is, after all, the entire reason the thread exists in the first place.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:11
One of the greatest ever, in my top 5 for sure.  The definition of progressive rock.  So much better than CTTE. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:11
I loved this album from the first time I heard it. From the cultured modrn sound of side 1 until the descent into more primitve forms of the past on side 4.

The music is so....descriptive.....THe Ancient, sounds ancient.

Niot to everyones tastes I realise, but for me...a solid 5 stars!!!!
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