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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 16:37

Few words about issue of religious lyrics. What about Prog artists ? We mostly seek MUSIC more than LYRICS. Therefore, when I'm listening something extremely preachy, I'm trying to overlook these lyrics so I can enjoy music. And music mostly means Symphonic Prog, which is something I like a lot. I'm therefore not listening this music (Neal Morse for example) because of lyrics, but because of music. For him, maybe it's just music accompanying message he wants to pass on, but for me, it's the music what matters in these cases.

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I feel like it shouldn't matter. You're listening to music to hear the artist's expression, not looking for your own.

I'm looking for artists expression, but not for those I cannot stand and know it. But this won't stop me from listening such music, I'm not that picky.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 16:13
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

I feel like it shouldn't matter.  You're listening to music to hear the artist's expression, not looking for your own.  I listen to hundreds of blues musicians sing about "god" all the time and I absolutely despise organised religion, but it doesn't bother me that much.

Well said. I'm a pretty vehement antitheist but even I can appreciate something like Neal Morse's Testimony, which (in my mind, at least) is simply a story, with God as the main plot device. I don't feel like this album in particular is trying to convert me or influence me; merely tell me what he, as the songwriter, feels. I don't believe in God but I can appreciate the story that Neal is telling, even if I cannot relate to it on a personal level. 

Now, that said, someone posted some lyrics from (I assume) Sola Scriptura earlier and that seemed a little sketchier, but I haven't heard the album so I can't comment. Strictly evangelical records would be a different story for me, because they go beyond simply expressing emotion and try to tell the listener how to feel, but I don't think prog generally falls into that category so it's not a problem. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 04:38
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

On that note, Jeff, I think it's interesting how many people ignore the context of lyrics.

I remember a few years back I was playing "Fear of a Blank Planet" while my sister-in-law was visiting.

She became very offended and asked me to turn it off. 

"He just called his mother a bitch!" she objected.
It is all too easy to forget the lyrics and be desensitised by the songs over a period of time and we can forget that these lyrics can connect with certain groups or be offensive on occasion depending on the experience we bring to the music. It is like reading a novel where we bring our experiences to the novel and thus changing the way the novel connects.
 
We connect with music the same way, if we are easily offended we are going to hate some of POS Scarsick, if we are atheist we may be offended by Neal Morse's Testimony, if we are a Christian we will be appalled at Morbid Angels 'Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost' - it all comes down to the values and beliefs we have that will determine how we respond to the music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 03:56
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



Context, Ivan, context.

Most evangelistic Christians are not (or would not be) happy with the idea of selling indulgences.  Which is partly what Sola Scripture is about.
 
OK, but he's preaching.
 
I'm not happy with Jehova Witnesses leaving people die because they refuse transfusions, but I don't go attacking them, much less with some radical Christian Scientists refusing medical attention, it's  their choice if they are adults.
 
Plus the Church doesn't sell indulgences since centuries ago, and they always use this excuse to attack.
 
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The problem is that these religious beliefs always affect children, too, and perhaps much more so than adults. And even if an adult religious person dies or suffers needlessly because her religious belief forbids treatment, you can still see it as a problem that originates in childhood, when that particular religion was "installed" by the parents. That's why I would always call religious indoctrination of children "child abuse", regardless how good the intentions of the parents may be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 15:44
On that note, Jeff, I think it's interesting how many people ignore the context of lyrics.

I remember a few years back I was playing "Fear of a Blank Planet" while my sister-in-law was visiting.

She became very offended and asked me to turn it off. 

"He just called his mother a bitch!" she objected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 15:25
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

A simply fascinating thread here that takes twists and turns and goes off topic and discussed everything from the Koran, Muslims, copyright issues, attacking catholicism, Protestantism, Atheism vs Christianity, discussions on homosexuality, lyrics of satanic bands, Neal Morse was targetted, and then lately mentioned Ajalon and this latest post music that releases the soul. It makes for some enlightening and entertaining reading, Someone should publish this in a book; it pretty much sums up the thinking of modern society encompassing values and beliefs from every corner of the globe.
 
One of the best threads I have read.


Seconded. I've dedicated the last 20-30 minutes reading every post.

I don't have much to contribute here, but it's been a joy to read. Smile

My opinion in short, is that I don't care what lyrics are about. I can enjoy Frank Zappa's crazy sex lyrics, Neal Morse's Christian lyrics, and Morbid Angel's anti-Chrisitian lyrics all the same. I don't really get offended by lyrics (unless they're outwardly offensive, of course), and on the contrary I like hearing what the musicians actually think, rather than a watered-down, G-rated, mass appealing version.

That's partially why I love Pain of Salvation's Scarsick so much, if you've ever heard that album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 14:36
I feel like it shouldn't matter.  You're listening to music to hear the artist's expression, not looking for your own.  I listen to hundreds of blues musicians sing about "god" all the time and I absolutely despise organised religion, but it doesn't bother me that much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 04:47
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I´m a fan of music that conveys me to other places where I can´t find my feet - and I feel like I´m stuck in a giant space-see-saw ripping me back and forth - leaving small fields of aroused chicken-nipples on my skin.

If people want to call it religion - beeing touched by the hand of god - or maybe orgasming with the most beautiful woman in the world - whatever you wanna call it, put a bumpersticker on it and call it instant soul release - I only find religion expressed in music dull, when it seeks to educate - rather than tell amazing stories.  

Please explain (or someone else), who she could be, because I don't have slightest idea.

Of course, if you find yourself in this state of mind and body, this is possible. There are also differences between USA/UK/East European or South European thinking about religion and religious songs.


Thank you Scott, this thread makes me a little bit confused, something like: I really started this ? I really participated in it ? :-D

every one knows that Jessica Alba is the most beutifull woman in the world that is just a fact Embarrassed

and back to religous lyricks, Roger Hodgson has twiicked some of those aswell, songs like Babaji, Even in the Quitest Moment, Lord is it Mine, Soapbox Opera, the Meaning and Child of Vision
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 04:22
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I´m a fan of music that conveys me to other places where I can´t find my feet - and I feel like I´m stuck in a giant space-see-saw ripping me back and forth - leaving small fields of aroused chicken-nipples on my skin.

If people want to call it religion - beeing touched by the hand of god - or maybe orgasming with the most beautiful woman in the world - whatever you wanna call it, put a bumpersticker on it and call it instant soul release - I only find religion expressed in music dull, when it seeks to educate - rather than tell amazing stories.  

Please explain (or someone else), who she could be, because I don't have slightest idea.

Of course, if you find yourself in this state of mind and body, this is possible. There are also differences between USA/UK/East European or South European thinking about religion and religious songs.


Thank you Scott, this thread makes me a little bit confused, something like: I really started this ? I really participated in it ? :-D

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 22:00
LOL, debates.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 21:35
A simply fascinating thread here that takes twists and turns and goes off topic and discussed everything from the Koran, Muslims, copyright issues, attacking catholicism, Protestantism, Atheism vs Christianity, discussions on homosexuality, lyrics of satanic bands, Neal Morse was targetted, and then lately mentioned Ajalon and this latest post music that releases the soul. It makes for some enlightening and entertaining reading, Someone should publish this in a book; it pretty much sums up the thinking of modern society encompassing values and beliefs from every corner of the globe.
 
One of the best threads I have read.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 20:06
I´m a fan of music that conveys me to other places where I can´t find my feet - and I feel like I´m stuck in a giant space-see-saw ripping me back and forth - leaving small fields of aroused chicken-nipples on my skin.
If people want to call it religion - beeing touched by the hand of god - or maybe orgasming with the most beautiful woman in the world - whatever you wanna call it, put a bumpersticker on it and call it instant soul release - I only find religion expressed in music dull, when it seeks to educate - rather than tell amazing stories.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 19:41

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

I am not a fan of religious lyrics but the CD Ajalon released is brilliant. 

Indeed, their new CD is beautiful. However, I remember listening one of their old CD's and it was terrible.

There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 17:59
I am not a fan of religious lyrics but the CD Ajalon released is brilliant. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 17:46

Now I've heard more religious lyrics, like Akacia (where I honestly didn't hear them - or wasn't trying) and I cannot tell any major difference between then and now.

I suppose that when I don't want to hear lyrics, I don't hear them. And believe me, I don't want to hear preachy lyrics. Why should I, as unbeliever.

However, I'm not sure if it's good for believers too. I never hear any Progster here saying that they like religious lyrics.

Or do they like them ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 22:15
Eela Craig - "Missa Universalis" is very preachy.  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=295 It's like a roman catholic "prog.rock mass" delivered in English, German, French and Latin.   Has its moments...but I wouldn't play it on a date or with your average buddy.  They might think you need a one way ticket to the funny farm.  Get it for the keyboards.
 
Latte E Miele's "Passio Secundum Mattheum" http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=78  (based on the "Book of Matthew') is probably the finest religious "prog.rock" album out there.  I don't understand the lyrics(in Latin)...but there's a presence there every time I listen to it.  Check it out.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 14:52
Can you remind me about "The Soft Parade"? I missed it.

We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 14:44
Hi,
 
Guys ...
 
You've hi-jacked this thread ... and are not even talking music ... (and no one even listened to "The Soft Parade" either!)
 
And we have to trust your opinions on music?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 14:26
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:




Dear Marty, describing the current situation in European countries with sizable Muslim populations as "a clash between Christianity and Islam" is incredibly naive. There is no such clash. Neither in theory (as most of the teachings of those two religions are largely the same), nor in practice (as Christians and Muslims are not clashing for religious reasons). Here in the U.K., where I live, there are millions of Muslims, and most of them get on perfectly well with their non-Muslim neigbours. Back in Belgium, in the city where I was born, one third of the population consists of immigrants (mainly Italians, Morrocans and Turks) and life seems perfectly harmonious.

What HAS happened, of course, is that in some European countries there have been terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists. Don't forget that these attacks have shocked the "Muslim community" (if, indeed, there IS such a community) as much as the so-called native population.

As far as I can tell, in Britain and France Muslims usually come from former colonies, and it seems perfectly reasonable that they have found a home in the country which once overran the land of their fathers! In other countries, such as the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, Turks and Morrocans were initially employed as "guest labourers", under the understanding they would eventually return to their countries of origin. But now it seems most "guest labourers" (or their descendants) are staying for good. There is a very real danger that this situation will lead to serious friction in the future. How many Europeans can cope with truly heterogeneous populations? If you look at the past, the record isn't very good. One envies the U.S.A. their idea of a "melting pot".



Heh, I didn't see much of a melting pot growing up.  There were exactly 2 blacks in my school growing up, everyone else was white Caucasian.  Luckily, we lived near San Francisco for a year when I was 9 years old (my dad had to go there for the year for work) and I was exposed to quite a few different peoples during that time.  But outside the larger US cities, it's pretty much "white America" from my experience.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2009 at 04:49
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:

Music and lyrics are a powerful medium - especially if you are in a very famous band - I mean how many have tried to unravel the meaning of  "The Wall".

WHAT A FANTASTIC PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO PREACH TO SO MANY MILLIONS!!

Think about it - it isn't just the religious (yes, they do and I don't blame them) - it's all the lyric writers - they all want  us to understand and accept their point of view...

The religious, the atheist, the agnostic, the green peace-lovers/ hippies, those in love, those who have lost love, the political, those that are a little off the wall - they all preach to us, and if it's not preaching they simply want to tell us something that close to their hearts.  Why not?

But do we really care? (does it change the way we ourselves think?)


Yes, excellent point. As I have said earlier in this discussion - there is no ideological vacuum. Everyone has some sort of god, even if it is just shopping.



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