Jimi Hendrix added to proto-prog

Garion81 wrote: I love Steely Dan and I would even go so far to add early Chicago to that mix as well. I have never separated JR/F from prog.  It is a blend of rock with another genre and in my mind has always been an essential ingredient in prog.

I love Steely Dan and I would even go so far to add early Chicago to that mix as well. I have never separated JR/F from prog.  It is a blend of rock with another genre and in my mind has always been an essential ingredient in prog.

There are lots of artists who sit between prog rock and fusion: Mahavishnu, RTF, Bill Bruford, Quiet Sun, Ozric Tentacles, David Sancious, Jean Luc Ponty, Alan Holdsworth Terje Rypdal, Focus, early Soft Machine and many more.

Good thing this site calls Quiet Sun Canterbury because their perfect blend of fusion and prog rock would be hard to classify

Logan wrote: Jazz is an important ingredient  (and influence) of much prog, and while Prog is short for Progressive Rock, I think it very fair to include Progressive Jazz-Rock.  Fusion is essential to Prog, be it jazz-rock fusion, classical-rock fusion, a folk-rock fusion etc.

very true... and it is important to note that not all Jazz Rock is going to sound like Mahavishnu clones...  look at Steely Dan? One of our 'experts' on Jazz rock called the Dan..one the most misunderstood groups around.  Case in point.  John touched on something earier... you have to really listen sometimes.. not be so quick to judge.  The site can be educational... but that only workds if one wants to learn.  Oh well hahha.  Thankfully some do.. while others will take their opinions to the grave no matter what.  There's nothing to be done for them.. hopefully .. with additions like this...  even though Hendrix is known by all.. maybe some might look at him in a different light.. not just as a guitar hero.. but a musician.

Garion81 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Garion81 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Vibrationbaby wrote: Does this mean no prog polka bands? I dunno. I actually scanned down the thread before joining the fray. I just think that it`s sort of clutching at straws to have Hendrix on a site like this. I`ll just say one last thing about Coryell. If you watch his DVD A Retrospective one of his sons ( I forget which ) reflects on how dumbfounded he is that his dad is not in Rolling Stone`s top 100 guitarists.  I doubt that if Hendrix would have lived past 27 that he would have joined in on the short period during the early seventies when the prog ( or art rock )  movement ruled. That's a good point. Clapton certainly didn't after finding the Blues.   and yet Jeff Beck did. No one can say what would have happened to Jimi.     I would say Beck found more Fusion than Prog.    Is not fusion prog? It is listed here as a subgenre. It is why Jeff beck is here at all.

Hendrix's last group was a proggy jazz fusion band with Larry Young (Miles, Mclaughlin, Santana), Mitch and Billy Cox.

He was also working with PA member Bo Hanson on another fusion project.

I really don't see a lot of similarities between Hendrix and Clapton. Pete Cosey, Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana or Blackbyrd McKnight are better examples of similar to Hendrix.

Edited by Easy Money - April 15 2009 at 11:52

Vibrationbaby wrote: Does this mean no prog polka bands? I dunno. I actually scanned down the thread before joining the fray. I just think that it`s sort of clutching at straws to have Hendrix on a site like this. I`ll just say one last thing about Coryell. If you watch his DVD A Retrospective one of his sons ( I forget which ) reflects on how dumbfounded he is that his dad is not in Rolling Stone`s top 100 guitarists.  I doubt that if Hendrix would have lived past 27 that he would have joined in on the short period during the early seventies when the prog ( or art rock )  movement ruled.

The Experience's records came out in 67-68 which is early enough to be a proto-prog influence, Allmans came out in 69, too late to influence the proto-prog scene.

Also The Allman's were not an influential part of the early London scene, The Experience was.

We are talking proto prog here folks, it has to come before Crimson and ELP.

Read the Intro to this thread, pleeeeze!

Edited by Easy Money - April 15 2009 at 11:02

One more time folks, Jimi Hendrix is here because he wrote advanced rock compositions such as 1983, Aint no Tellin, Midnight Lamp, 3rd Stone, Girl so Fine etc. during 67-68 that put him in a class with Procol Harum, the Soft Machine, The Nice and a few others.

In 69 Jimi switched to the blues and prog moved on to Crimson, ELP etc.

Jimi's early career with The Experience has very little to do with folks like Johnny Winter.

Puhleeeze read the intro to this thread before posting, it will take you less than 5 minutes.

Edited by Easy Money - April 15 2009 at 10:42