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Fantômas
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:50 |
speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg
official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!
You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:47 |
frenchie wrote:
maiden close to prog?
i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band! |
Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:36 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.
Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.
BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.
I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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There not even 1% prog im sorry to say...I'm not desputing Iron maiden was'nt a great band in the eyes of all teenagers![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
& there is no problem about talk regarding the band but on a heavy metal site please..
The treads about the other artist you have stated have been removed to the bowels of the other channel & so should this band too
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:31 |
maiden close to prog?
i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band!
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:26 |
M@X wrote:
Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
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It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!! Giving me chills every time !!! ![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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M@X
Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:25 |
I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.
Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.
BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.
I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:22 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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well seeing as Max has posted twice on this thread,if you wanna take it up with the big man himself........![Tongue](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
I dare you! No I double-dare you!
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:19 |
I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:15 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.
They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.
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So you would give Rush some credit?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:12 |
Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.
They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:06 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.
To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)
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Iron Maiden are definitely a bit Progressive, but not close to as Progressive as Dream Theater are.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:04 |
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Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.
To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:59 |
The list is obviously made by a metal head (Not offensive term, I have a lot of respect for REAL metal), Fantomas let the most prog' oriented tracks aside.
- The Rime of the Ancient Mariner: One of the most and better progressive tracks by a non prog' band, simply outstanding.
- 7th Son of a 7th Son: Idem N° 1
- Phantom of the Opera: Simpler than 1 and 2 but in the same vein.
- Hallowed Be Thy Name: Powerfull and atmospheric
- The Trooper: Excellent 2nd guitar.
1, 2 and 3 are very seriously crafted tracks, even 4, but The Trooper is pure power.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:42 |
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:35 |
frenchie wrote:
Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted
songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death
was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is
meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle. |
Get Powerslave... If you don't like it, no problem... At least try the title track...
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:34 |
frenchie wrote:
although DT are one of my fave bands, and i have live at budokan playing now, i am not sure about the whole best metal band thing there.
they dont suite the qualities of a typical metal band cos most metal bands have gruff vocals and no keyboardists although they have got the hair, lyrics, riffs and image going on.
Still one of the best bands you shall ever find, much better than that iron maiden bollox. i saw the early days DVD and they played a song with the original vocalist and i thought it was immense, the live show didnt have any of that eye candy.
Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature.
Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle. |
Hah, actually I kinda like Iron Maiden but not everything they made and I don't consider Bruce a childish vocalist, because its one of the most impressive falsettos I've ever heard.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:33 |
Fragile wrote:
Why are so many ordinary rock bands being forwarded on here? |
I think that's because we're beginning to see the light, and stop
talking about boring, pretentious and pompous bands just like Yes...
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:29 |
Why are so many ordinary rock bands being forwarded on here?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:29 |
King of Loss wrote:
No, actually the best Metal band has to be Dream Theater ![](smileys/smiley17.gif) | although DT are one of my fave bands, and i have live at budokan playing now, i am not sure about the whole best metal band thing there. they dont suite the qualities of a typical metal band cos most metal bands have gruff vocals and no keyboardists although they have got the hair, lyrics, riffs and image going on. Still one of the best bands you shall ever find, much better than that iron maiden bollox. i saw the early days DVD and they played a song with the original vocalist and i thought it was immense, the live show didnt have any of that eye candy. Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.
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