Least Proggy Metallica Album

All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 

MaidenMadness wrote: why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal?

MaidenMadness wrote: why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal? of course that might not have anything to do with the fact that bay area thrash bands are more leaned towards technicality, as opposed to east coast thrash whose sound was closer to punk and hardcore or german thrash metal who drawn influence from venom? sorry but if that is the reason why metallica are considered a prog band than one can go easily and add the likes of megadeth, testament, death angel, heathen and the whole lot. personally i think its a weak argument. other explanations metallica's sound influenced the likes of dt? fair enough but in a same way nwobhm bands such as diamond head should be considered to be at least as equally influential as metallica as metallica's sound was much more influenced by them, than prog metal bands a'la dt's sound was influenced by metallica. if we want to be honest bands such as virgin steele or savatage have more prog elements in their music than metallica ever had. i am reading through that thread now and personally i don't see what i consider to be valid case for considering metallica prog related. Read carefully through the Prog Related page on the site. now if people here want to hold it against me then so be it. Although I disagree with your view, I have no intention of "holding it against" you.  However, the belligerence with which you articulate your opinion does have an alienating effect. i stick by what i said, imo metallica is neither: a) prog nor b) prog related in any greater extent than the likes of megadeth, venom, celtic frost, bathory, metal church and co are. Despite popular platitudes, not all opinions have equal value:  some are well-informed and reasonable, others not so much.

Certif1ed wrote: Wrong. The other thread explains why you are wrong here.   The FACT is that they have every relation with Prog Metal - and that's why you're wrong.

why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal? of course that might not have anything to do with the fact that bay area thrash bands are more leaned towards technicality, as opposed to east coast thrash whose sound was closer to punk and hardcore or german thrash metal who drawn influence from venom?

sorry but if that is the reason why metallica are considered a prog band than one can go easily and add the likes of megadeth, testament, death angel, heathen and the whole lot. personally i think its a weak argument.

other explanations metallica's sound influenced the likes of dt? fair enough but in a same way nwobhm bands such as diamond head should be considered to be at least as equally influential as metallica as metallica's sound was much more influenced by them, than prog metal bands a'la dt's sound was influenced by metallica.

if we want to be honest bands such as virgin steele or savatage have more prog elements in their music than metallica ever had.

i am reading through that thread now and personally i don't see what i consider to be valid case for considering metallica prog related.

now if people here want to hold it against me then so be it. i stick by what i said, imo metallica is neither:

a) prog

nor

b) prog related in any greater extent than the likes of megadeth, venom, celtic frost, bathory, metal church and co are.

MaidenMadness wrote: metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog. the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever.

MaidenMadness wrote: so what gets added? what majority of people feel should get added. nothing but a popularity contest.

It doesn't work that way:  look into the procedure for addition of artists to the archives.  For what it's worth, the majority objected to the inclusion of Metallica.

MaidenMadness wrote: micky wrote: prog - RELATED.. read it, live it, understand it before you make more of a fool of yourself prog related i understand it fully, do you? prog related meaning not prog but somehow linked to prog. once again something thats so undefined one can add whatever he wants to in there cause prog bands in general have many different influences. so what gets added? what majority of people feel should get added. nothing but a popularity contest.

if you  really wanted to know... you would go to THAT thread.. and read just why the site believes they were related.    The admins here make that final determination...   call them spineless fanboys why don't you. 

have a clappie as a parting gift.. I have lots of them..

 for at least spicing up a boring Sunday around the forums.. 


Edited by micky - October 19 2008 at 13:58

MaidenMadness wrote: prog bands drew inspirations from so many different bands of different genres that in fact you could include just about every single band out there as prog/prog related. the fact that people on pa came up with a genre pa doesn't shape the musical world in a way that there really is a genre named prog related. its strictly a fiction of mind of certain people from pa. the genre prog related is nothing but a bunch of crap. under same thoughts one could include the likes of diamond head, motorhead, queen or someone from first wave of black metal such as venom or bathory? why not count early norwegean black metal bands such as mayhem or darkthorne or burzum as prog as well after all didn't they have direct or indirect influece on the likes of opeth? the tag prog related is nothing but a piece of sh*t.

Not interested in debating Metallica, as I've articulated my opinion in other threads.  However, I will say that although the term "prog related" is a somewhat ambiguous term, it was constructed, so I understand, to be ambiguous, i.e. to allow for future additions (not unlike the US constitution).  Whatever potential hazards the definition allows is checked by the addition process (loosely analogous to peer-review).  In genreal, such categorization has no real meaning, but it can be a useful guide in selecting music.

prog - RELATED..


read it, live it, understand it

before you make more of a fool of yourself


Edited by micky - October 19 2008 at 13:46

yawn.. .used the goddamned search function kid.. and find the 35 page thread that explains why they were added.


do it quick before you find yourself on the bad side of people who aren't as forgiving of stupid posts as these.