too heavily weighted ratings ? its outrageous

^ Exactly. A one-star rating by a Prog Reviewer or a Collaborator should be an accurate assessment in their opinion and be accompanied by reasoning within the review text to justify it. But that should also hold true for any one-star rating.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: debrewguy wrote: Is this biased ? Yes. But I still am able to accept that Klaatu, Ange, and Night Sun will not enjoy the same high regard that I hold for them versus their PA ratings.   Thanks Debrewguy, your post made me write my first Ange review, I started with Guet-Apens and will continue with the rest.   Yes, I believe they deserve more recognition, despite being so weird.   Iván

What's so weird was this - as I already had most of their "heyday" albums (Caricatures to Guet-Apens), long before I got into any prog rock bands apart from Gentle Giant and Rush (a few albums from Yes, Collins era Genesis, Moody Blues), it was strange once I started reading reviews and posts re : Ange and seeing the mentions of King Crimson and Genesis influences. I actually had to go back and re-listen to Ange, KC, and Genesis to see what the similarities were. I did notice some, but as I got into much more prog, It seemed to me that it was often a case of commonalities instead of one showing the other the way. Not that KC and Genesis didn't (Only Decamps can says for sure), just that many bands in many places dipped into other musical genres for influences.
On another hand ... my first thread here was to ask the question as to why the French scene did not have the same number of "figurehead" groups that the UK (Yes, KC, Genesis, ELP), Italian (PFM, Le Orme, Banco), and American (Kansas, Styx, er .... um ...) scenes did. My example being that Ange was the only "big"name to come out of France. I found that to be a barrier to getting into other french prog groups as comparisonswith well known groups from France were hard to come by.
Boy, did I learn a few things that week ! Don't mess with Avestin, Watch out for Rocktopus, and never dismiss what you know less about than almost everyone else.
These days, though, I can hold my own, and am more comfortable in re-stating this case, while knowing that the French scene is probably more varied than most other countries, and as compared to Italy, has had a good share of one or two album wonders, but with more stylistic differences.
Oh, and of course, where else but France do you find a group like Magma ?

P.S. - My placing of Emile Jacotey as Ange's best, and  worthy of inclusion in the prog pantheon is likely due to the fact that I speak french. That, and it was the first Ange album I heard.
P.P.S. - next  : to query why Klaatu is prog-related and derided as too "poppy", while the Moody Blues are regarded as figureheads. Apart from Days fo Future Past and Hope, both shared a love of great melodies, and an occasional rock-out, with much appreciation for whimsy (Dr Livingston I presume ? Everybody take a Holiday ? )

Now back to the Yes issue.

I bought Yesyears (Yesterdays, Classic Yes and The Very Best of Yes), the box set costed me more than $100.00, the other ones US$ 26,00 eact...This means I spent a lot of money in mostly the same songs, OK, Yesterdays is another thing and Yesyears is not bad, but will I buy any of the other $ 100.00 box sets to have almost the same?

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 13 2008 at 13:32

Good man!

rushfan4 wrote: Just think of how many albums you could afford to purchase if you were paid a nickel for every clappie that you dished out.   On the other hand, you could probably retire to Venice if it were a nickel for every hahahahahaha.

hahha.. If I had a dime for everyone I've pissed off.. since I registered here... I could BUY Venice

with the clappie royalites... I'll buy LA... and level the f**king place

Just think of how many albums you could afford to purchase if you were paid a nickel for every clappie that you dished out.

Alright.  The e-bill can be sent to me at [email protected].

Alright.  Well, please think of me kindly as you listen to it.

Oooh.  I have an ELP album that Micky doesn't have.  Somehow, I would have thought that would have been a prouder moment.  It's not.  It really has nothing more than curiosity for a reason to listen to it.  And always remember that curiosity is what killed the cat.

Well my fancy footed friend that is where we agree to disagree.  But since the Yes Re-MIxes tickles your fancy, this next monstrosity should send you into a rhythm of tears. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2641