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JLocke 
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 Posted: March 24 2008 at 14:20 |
 MHDTV wrote:
Listen to yourself. You actually believe that a bunch of nobodies mixing faux-screaming with recycled metal riffs are more talented than someone like Chuck D or Blockhead? |
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MHDTV
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 14:42 |
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Listen to yourself. You actually believe that a bunch of nobodies mixing faux-screaming with recycled metal riffs are more talented than someone like Chuck D or Blockhead?
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Freak yo' swerve
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JLocke
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Posted: March 22 2008 at 21:23 |
Salvo_ wrote:
Hahaha, rappers have no talent but Linkin Park do... |
Um, if you are seriousely suggesting that you think gun-toting gansta wannabes hollering about how fast their cars are have more talent than rock musicians, I would have to say you and I are VERY different people, 
Edited by p0mt3 - March 22 2008 at 22:55
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Salvo_
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Posted: March 22 2008 at 16:21 |
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Hahaha, rappers have no talent but Linkin Park do...
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JLocke
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Posted: March 22 2008 at 15:53 |
Additionally . . .
I would like to clarify that bands that have encoorparated rap along with genuine music have always interested me. Gorillaz, Linkin Park, KoRn, P.O.D., etc. are all artists that I have held on to from my pre-prog days. But see, those bands actually have musical talent, and I just don't think talking really fast in rhyme is anything all that special.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 22 2008 at 15:37 |
Well, quite frankly, I dislike Hip-Hop because it isn't original or creative in any way I can figure out. It's a materialistic, angry, and ignorant form of music, IN MY OPINION. Why would I spend my time listening to a synthesized bass beat repeated over and over backing up some mumbling idiot talking about hoes and bitches?
I'm not saying that is what ALL Hip-Hop is like, but since that is pretty much what all of the popular stuff in Rap has become, I don't respect it enough to delve any deeper than what I see on TV. There may be genuinely good music out there hidden amoungst the crap, but to me, I'm completely happy with the music I already listen to, and there is so much variety in Prog Rock that I don't see a reason to give Hip-Hop a chance at all.
It should be noted: I was once a Rap listener, so I have experienced the repetetive nonsense firsthand.
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MHDTV
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 19:51 |
darqDean wrote:
The majority (ie more than 50%) of Rap is in common time, for it to be a "large percentage" it would have to approach 50% - I'd settle for 30% but nothing less than that.
There are some Rap songes in 3/4 and 6/8, but I'd be surprised to see anything in more unusual or irrational meters simply because you cannot dance to it ... (well you can, but it would be like having one leg longer than the other, you'd dance in ever decreasing circles like a haggis on a mountainside). |
The majority of music 4/4 or 3/4...Rap doesn't need to be danceable. Here are a few songs with funny time sigs, or changing time sigs. From one artist.
Save Yourself-Aesop Rock
The Harbor Is Yours-Aesop Rock
Big Bang-Aesop Rock
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weetabix
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 06:41 |
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we have gone from the Beatles 'All you need is Love' to some rapper or hip hop artist yelling "you crazy bitch" too much anger for me. Benny Hill he was a fair rapper?
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 02:14 |
soundsweird wrote:
Boy, I sure wish I'd bought stock (back in the 80's) in the companies that publish rhyming dictionaries. |
It seems you missed the time, to be able to get books to be able to rhyme.
You could have been a poet, and you didn't know it.
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soundsweird
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 01:59 |
Boy, I sure wish I'd bought stock (back in the 80's) in the companies that publish rhyming dictionaries.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 23:48 |
Fine, how wanna write some classical/jazz fusion hip-hop with me, with counterpoint, say, in the key of Ab major?
The point is, rap isn't just a concrete term (btw rap is technically a genre of hip-hop). I'm not a big, wouldn't even say a moderate fan of hip-hop at all, but regardless, music is only really limited by an artists imagination. A big reason I'm not a fan of the vast majority of hip-hip, is that it is incredibly samey, and obviously, the vast majority of hip hop artist aren't going to be as educated in music as say, someone like me, who can read music, or the average classical musician, so as a result, they are really limited in what they can do musically. To lump all rap into something that is totally lacking in experimentation is not overly fair IMO, as anyone with a great imagination and knowledge of music could probably make something out of hip hop way beyond the average 'commercial radio' hip hop.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 23:25 |
My favorite musical things are instrumentation (especially classical and jazz-fusion instrumentation), beautiful melodies, and boldness when it comes to abstract ideas and experimentation. Not aspects you find in rap. Plus, I really don't care about politics or social issues so I get bored while listening to someone ranting about things like that. 
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Dean
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 22:10 |
The majority (ie more than 50%) of Rap is in common time, for it to be a "large percentage" it would have to approach 50% - I'd settle for 30% but nothing less than that.
There are some Rap songes in 3/4 and 6/8, but I'd be surprised to see anything in more unusual or irrational meters simply because you cannot dance to it ... (well you can, but it would be like having one leg longer than the other, you'd dance in ever decreasing circles like a haggis on a mountainside).
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What?
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 21:49 |
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^Examples?
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MHDTV
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 21:43 |
BaldJean wrote:
it is the steady beat of hip-hop and rap which gets on my nerves. it is like having a revolver pointed at you and being told "dance, buster, this is a 4/4". I really like to dance, but not at gun point
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A large percentage of Rap isn't in 4/4, and has several time sig changes.
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Freak yo' swerve
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Novalis
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 20:32 |
BaldJean wrote:
toolis wrote:
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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see, this may cause a paradox, cause i might like what you like which would make me open minded and didn't like what sby else liked which would make me narrow minded, assuming of course that the word 'you' stands for everyone... 
btw, nice greek in your signature, albeit kinda cliche..we have better sayings... |
well, but this is the most famous one. it was written above the entry to the oracle of Delphi
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Haha, well actually it doesn't matter what anyone else likes, it only matters what I like. And in a way, I actually do believe that. But the part about you being close minded if you don't like it was, obviously, a joke. And yea, I really do like that quote in it's simplicity. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote a great poem by the same name.
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 08:26 |
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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toolis
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 08:09 |
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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see, this may cause a paradox, cause i might like what you like which would make me open minded and didn't like what sby else liked which would make me narrow minded, assuming of course that the word 'you' stands for everyone...
btw, nice greek in your signature, albeit kinda cliche..we have better sayings...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Novalis
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:52 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.
E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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Well, what do you like? |
That, my friend, was sarcasm. And I like anything that's in the Top 40 this week. (There I go again.) 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:46 |
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.
E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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Well, what do you like?
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you seem to worship. So why don't we do each other a big favor and just drop this? I have no interest in idiotic nursery rhymes for idiots, and I am not about to start listening to it now. All we are doing now is fueling a fire to something that will only end with flaming and name-calling. I don't want it to turn into that, so I am politely asking you to leave it alone. I hate Hip-Hop, you hate Nu-Metal. Now that we are clear on where the other one stands on the issue, let's call it a day, aye? Please?