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StyLaZyn 
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 Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:33 |
 1800iareyay wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch. Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog. |
What? If you're judgin Floyd by their first few albums, then sure, but by Meddle and Dark Side they had become fully prog.
Who cares what postion WYWH is? Sure, I'd much rather see Dark Side over it, and I'd like for there to be less Genesis in the top 20, but it's based on number of ratings. Sure, that might exclude more obscure bands, but deal with it. The point of the list is to provide n00bs with a good starting place to get acquainted with prog classics. It has no bearing on anyone's life. Why not make a thread where ppl can post and back up their lists of top albums, that is if you don't want to use any of the existing threads devoted to just that. |
Then I motion Deep Purple be moved into Prog. Deep Purple has played more odd time sigs than PF. From a musicianship point of view, Waters and Mason, while good at what they do, don't do much.  Deep Purple has great musicians, and I have heard much more complicated material from them collectively, when compared to Floyd. Keep in mind, this is not a PF dis because I enjoy the music. I just see a serious disconnect.
Edited by StyLaZyn - June 25 2007 at 11:37
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Dim
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:25 |
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^ I'm gonna have to agree with stylazyn
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:23 |
[QUOTE =StyLaZyn]Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch. Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.[/QUOTE] What? If you're judgin Floyd by their first few albums, then sure, but by Meddle and Dark Side they had become fully prog.
Who cares what postion WYWH is? Sure, I'd much rather see Dark Side over it, and I'd like for there to be less Genesis in the top 20, but it's based on number of ratings. Sure, that might exclude more obscure bands, but deal with it. The point of the list is to provide n00bs with a good starting place to get acquainted with prog classics. It has no bearing on anyone's life. Why not make a thread where ppl can post and back up their lists of top albums, that is if you don't want to use any of the existing threads devoted to just that.
Edited by 1800iareyay - June 25 2007 at 11:24
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emdiar
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:12 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch. Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:58 |
Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch. Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:20 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
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It always amazes me that people get so worked up over this to the point of making a thread about it. |
Well we have to get worked up about something! Without hysteria and outrage we are lost!
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:09 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Wish you were here, does not deserve to be in the #2 spot!
In fact, I seriously does not belong in the top ten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WYWH is a great album, but not a great prog album! A five song album, with only three prog songs, in the #2 spot of the top 100 prog albums of all time is ludicrus! I will not stand for this! Stop this foolishness! |
It always amazes me that people get so worked up over this to the point of making a thread about it.
Don't take it so seriously,it's just a list.I totally ignore them myself.
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A B Negative
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:00 |
The Top 100 is rubbish because it doesn't have my favourite prog band that you've never heard of at number 1. 
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andu
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 06:01 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
^^ Because it's a top 100 PROG album rating thing. DUH!!! |
I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have better things to do, but where exactly did you read that? In my browser the PA homepage says "ProgArchives most popular titles (based on ratings)". That means prog or not prog.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 05:23 |
Totally disagree.
WYWH is a classic album.
It is Prog Rock.
It does deserve its position.
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The Whistler
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:44 |
Ah! Truly you are a man of great wisdom. I wonder if it's NEE NER NEE NER nee nee, or nee ner NEE NER NEE NEE. Or if they're a couple somewhere in the middle, so the riff loses it's hauntingness about halfway through, but regains it...
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toolis
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:35 |
The Whistler wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
Talk about the four most haunting notes in music. |
But there are six notes in the "Aqualung" riff...? |
maybe the other two notes aren't that haunting.. 
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The Whistler
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:22 |
Arsillus wrote:
Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.
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But there are six notes in the "Aqualung" riff...?
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Floydian42
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:16 |
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So I here there's this really good band out there, not too popular. They called themselves "Yeah" or wait... no, that wasn't it... Yes... Yes! It was "Yes"! You might have heard of them... and a few years back they released this little record called "Close to the edge" or something like that... yeah I'd suggest you give it a listen. I think it tops this "Wish you were here" or those "Genesis" albums you were talking about....
Edited by Floydian42 - June 25 2007 at 01:17
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Proletariat
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:14 |
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it all depends on what you mean by progressive, and god knows no one wants to get into that again. (I know I dont)
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:12 |
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Schizoid Man feels that Wish You Were Here is not prog enough, therefore our judgement is flawed. Lovely.
Seriously, I stopped caring about the top ten after being on this site for about a week. No one really gives a crap whether Selling England By The Pound or Close to the Edge or anything else has the highest rating on the site.
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Ricochet
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:06 |
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I don't care much at all about the top 100, nor think it's a scam or not a result of "thousand of people" sharing their common (in various ways) pleasure for that album. As in: no one is directing the top 100 plot, no one is saying you should like the album within the 100 top, yet the other way around no one should say to all those many people and to all the, mostly, fair rates (that led apparently to such a high presence in the top) that they aren't supposed to like that (aka this thread's aggressive message and purpose).
Just try to find your own prog music, to like it or dislike it.
Strangely, I find Wish You Were Here around the most deserving albums to be in the top 10, top 3 or even the best, along Thick As A Brick and so...
Edited by Ricochet - June 25 2007 at 01:08
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:00 |
WYWH with Atom Heart Mother is my fav Floyd album
But there is a lot of dross in the top 100, only one zeuhl album and no Krautrock! the top hundred like someone said is not the best of the best nor is it truly representative, just a rough beginners guide and thats why the Snowgoose is there.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2007 at 23:43 |
Arsillus wrote:
Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.
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yup
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 24 2007 at 23:40 |
Dude, stop freaking out over that list. It's a nice addition to the site based on collective ratings. And it's good for n00bs. But other than that, don't take it so seriously! It's not like an official declaration on the "best" prog albums.  So stop complaining about the list.  But for the record, WYWH is an awesome album. I wouldn't put it an #2, but whatever. Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.
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