Vinyl

oliverstoned wrote: Karnevil9 wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Karnevil9 wrote: ummagumma08 wrote: [QUOTE=oliverstoned>vynil easily beats cd get a rega planar 3 turntable you will not be disapointed[/QUOTE> Hi, I have a Rega Planar 2(the one in the picture), which I'm extremely fond of (it's way better than the numerous questionable turntables I've owned in the past.) and I wonder is Planar 3 remarkably better, or am I better off using my money on vinyl instead and keep the Planar 2? Lets just pull the Rega 2 down then...3/4" chipboard laminated with formica.A.C. Motor dangles from a black rubber belt (Motor mounting lugs are crudly bent over to accomidate this.Hinges if you like to call them that are cheap plastic efforts rivited to the lid,these break in time,to replace them you have to buy a new lid.Shame really as the lid is excellently made...Arm on the 'P2' is the Rega 'RB250' comes in many variants 'Moth''Thorens''Nad''Akai' badged,very overated but better sounding than the bigger 'RB300' found on the 'P3'... Better sounding deck then: http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album_page.php?pic_id=922 False. The RB300 is an excellent arm. If you want to go further a Rega Planar 3, you have to take a Linn LP 12 with a good moving coil. Drop this flat earth crap we had in the '80's ok Linn 'Condeks' sound awefull...Ok.So oliver then you tell me all about specialist hi-fi .It's my hobbie has been part of my living for the last 25 years. My hifi guru is in hifi from 35 years... sorry!

 

Your hi-fi guru as you have, has been brain washesd by dealers & magazines over the years.Companies such as Linn rooled the roost & reviews/dealers over the years, due to exceptional marketing skills.Rega just got in there with simular marketing skills the same, as a cheap alternative to the Linn 'Sondek'...Wake up man you've just admitted you listern to your friend,who seems to know nothing himself.

 

I suppose he has an equally as crap Naim system?

Edited by Karnevil9

oliverstoned wrote: The Rega 3 is really better. Morever, the original cartridge ("super elyss") is a real good little cartridge.(unlike Denon DL103, for example, which is bad, despite it's famous).

I went to my local used hi-fi store in Copenhagen today and asked if he had a Rega Planar 3, and that I wanted to trade with my Planar 2, he said that it would be stupid "they are identical" he said. He sells them for the same price 250 - 300 dollars approx. Now I'm confused....       

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Sean Trane wrote: illustrated wrote: My friend has a turntable and a good speaker setup in his room which also connects to his stereo, and I think he has about 30 albums on vinyl now (including a recently bought mint copy of Ummagumma, which I'm jealous of). Despite all their good qualities, I know he's bought several records from a music store downtown (for good money too) which have actually been defected, like the original copy of Live Dead. He checks them and everything, but I guess that's the way it goes... I'm seriously considering getting a turntable myself, because vinyl does sound different, and the art for so many albums just blows me away. For instance, if you get Close to the Edge on CD you have to look through the little booklet to find the cool Roger Dean art, but on the record you just open it up and it's so much better. Though... I saw a copy of BSS on viynl that was very weird, with booklets in booklets, and not very practical, while the CD version was really awesome and holographic... but I read somewhere (something on H.R. Geiger's art) that the original record was holographic as well? As a 42 year old, I used to listen to  vinyls a great deal ., loved doing it and found great pleasure in sleeve artwork. But we had no choice (pre-recorded cassttes or 8-tracks were not valid choices - you might as well as made your own cassttes), that was all we had. We had to return many vinyls especially the post 73 stuff because the pressings were no good. No undue nostalgia, please: vinyl have their fair share of problems. The worst are the vinylrecord dealers asking for huge sums of money for average records in non-perfect state. (You might want to Avoid Doug Larson's vinyl section: expensive and overvalued state)  Since the early 90's I have converted to CD, was reluctant at first but the confort of CD is what converted me. Vinyls are a pain to maintain in a good condition , to handle and every twenty mins, one has to get up to change sides or record. This meant not being too drunk or high or scratches would appear quickly. 60's and 70's music do sound different on vinyl than on cd (whether it is better is another debate), but this should make no difference for music from 83 onwards. Vinyls also takes up a lot of space.

Haha, definitely some really good points. CDs work out great but I just love the cover art for a lot of the old records. And yeah, I'm still relluctant to buy a turntable/records because of the size factor and just the inconvinience in general. The copy of Live Dead my friend bought was $18.99 (Canadian) and supposedly he checked it for scratches, but none of it played when he took it home. But on the other hand, these guys have a lot of the old King Crimson/ELP/VDGG (etc) records I want which you have to order in from other music stores. I ordered in Pawn Hearts at A & B basically at the time of the New Year and found out it had gotten delayed. The second time I went back there they said that the company was going through changes and that it was still delayed, but the man who worked there looked further into it and it turned out that it had been sent to Calgary! So it was supposed to be here in a week or two and it's been at least that (I think?) and I still haven't gotten a phone call.

ummagumma08 wrote: oliverstoned wrote: "The Rega 3 is really better. Morever, the original cartridge ("super elyss") is a real good little cartridge.(unlike Denon DL103, for example, which is bad, despite it's famous). I really don't no that much about hi-fi, so I'm glad that there someone qualified people to give advise. I don't use the cartridge originally installed on the REGA PLANAR 2, I have a friend whose mother works at the ortofon factory in Denmark therefore I got a cartridge called "OM 5E" for almost nothing, I was told it should be very good, is it? or could investment in another cartridge (within an acceptable price frame) significantly improve my listening experience?      <!-- Signature -->

Glad you enjoyed my advices.
I don't know that particular cartridge, but i have heard that ortofon is not that bad.
But of course, there are better choices.
Moving coil cartdriges are another world.
But expensive.
And there are many others things to do to improve your sound.

Karnevil9 wrote: ummagumma08 wrote: [QUOTE=oliverstoned>vynil easily beats cd get a rega planar 3 turntable you will not be disapointed[/QUOTE> Hi, I have a Rega Planar 2(the one in the picture), which I'm extremely fond of (it's way better than the numerous questionable turntables I've owned in the past.) and I wonder is Planar 3 remarkably better, or am I better off using my money on vinyl instead and keep the Planar 2? Lets just pull the Rega 2 down then...3/4" chipboard laminated with formica.A.C. Motor dangles from a black rubber belt (Motor mounting lugs are crudly bent over to accomidate this.Hinges if you like to call them that are cheap plastic efforts rivited to the lid,these break in time,to replace them you have to buy a new lid.Shame really as the lid is excellently made...Arm on the 'P2' is the Rega 'RB250' comes in many variants 'Moth''Thorens''Nad''Akai' badged,very overated but better sounding than the bigger 'RB300' found on the 'P3'... Better sounding deck then: http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album_page.php?pic_id=922

False.
The RB300 is an excellent arm.
If you want to go further a Rega Planar 3, you have
to take a Linn LP 12 with a good moving coil.

ummagumma08 wrote: oliverstoned wrote: vynil easily beats cd get a rega planar 3 turntable you will not be disapointed   Hi, I have a Rega Planar 2(the one in the picture), which I'm extremely fond of (it's way better than the numerous questionable turntables I've owned in the past.)  and I wonder is Planar 3 remarkably better, or am I better off using my money on vinyl instead and keep the Planar 2?

Lets just pull the Rega 2 down then...3/4" chipboard laminated with formica.A.C. Motor dangles from a black rubber belt (Motor mounting lugs are crudly bent over to accomidate this.Hinges if you like to call them that are cheap plastic efforts rivited to the lid,these break in time,to replace them you have to buy a new lid.Shame really as the lid is excellently made...Arm on the 'P2' is the Rega 'RB250' comes in many variants 'Moth''Thorens''Nad''Akai' badged,very overated but better sounding than the bigger 'RB300' found on the 'P3'...

 

Better sounding deck then:

http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album_page.php?pic_id=922

illustrated wrote: My friend has a turntable and a good speaker setup in his room which also connects to his stereo, and I think he has about 30 albums on vinyl now (including a recently bought mint copy of Ummagumma, which I'm jealous of). Despite all their good qualities, I know he's bought several records from a music store downtown (for good money too) which have actually been defected, like the original copy of Live Dead. He checks them and everything, but I guess that's the way it goes... I'm seriously considering getting a turntable myself, because vinyl does sound different, and the art for so many albums just blows me away. For instance, if you get Close to the Edge on CD you have to look through the little booklet to find the cool Roger Dean art, but on the record you just open it up and it's so much better. Though... I saw a copy of BSS on viynl that was very weird, with booklets in booklets, and not very practical, while the CD version was really awesome and holographic... but I read somewhere (something on H.R. Geiger's art) that the original record was holographic as well?

As a 42 year old, I used to listen to  vinyls a great deal ., loved doing it and found great pleasure in sleeve artwork. But we had no choice (pre-recorded cassttes or 8-tracks were not valid choices - you might as well as made your own cassttes), that was all we had. We had to return many vinyls especially the post 73 stuff because the pressings were no good. No undue nostalgia, please: vinyl have their fair share of problems. The worst are the vinylrecord dealers asking for huge sums of money for average records in non-perfect state. (You might want to Avoid Doug Larson's vinyl section: expensive and overvalued state) 

Since the early 90's I have converted to CD, was reluctant at first but the confort of CD is what converted me. Vinyls are a pain to maintain in a good condition , to handle and every twenty mins, one has to get up to change sides or record. This meant not being too drunk or high or scratches would appear quickly.

60's and 70's music do sound different on vinyl than on cd (whether it is better is another debate), but this should make no difference for music from 83 onwards. Vinyls also takes up a lot of space.

oliverstoned wrote: vynil easily beats cd get a rega planar 3 turntable you will not be disapointed

 

Hi, I have a Rega Planar 2(the one in the picture), which I'm extremely fond of (it's way better than the numerous questionable turntables I've owned in the past.)  and I wonder is Planar 3 remarkably better, or am I better off using my money on vinyl instead and keep the Planar 2?

 

My friend has a turntable and a good speaker setup in his room which also connects to his stereo, and I think he has about 30 albums on vinyl now (including a recently bought mint copy of Ummagumma, which I'm jealous of). Despite all their good qualities, I know he's bought several records from a music store downtown (for good money too) which have actually been defected, like the original copy of Live Dead. He checks them and everything, but I guess that's the way it goes...

I'm seriously considering getting a turntable myself, because vinyl does sound different, and the art for so many albums just blows me away. For instance, if you get Close to the Edge on CD you have to look through the little booklet to find the cool Roger Dean art, but on the record you just open it up and it's so much better. Though... I saw a copy of BSS on viynl that was very weird, with booklets in booklets, and not very practical, while the CD version was really awesome and holographic... but I read somewhere (something on H.R. Geiger's art) that the original record was holographic as well?

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