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Harry Hood
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 01:16 |
I thought the 80's lineup of Crimson was excellent. Adrian Belew brought a new level of passion and energy to their live performances, and was an excellent guitarist. And Levin/Bruford are probably one of the most powerful rythm sections ever. They adopted the new wave sound and made it progressive. Maybe their albums weren't perfect in the 80's, but they were one of Crimson's most powerful live lineups.
Anyway, I should probably post something on-topic.
Punk rock was a musical movement against prog, but you can't blame it for the downfall of prog. Prog was already going downhill when punk started.
I love punk, and I think it was probably one of the best things that could have happened to music at that time.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 01:15 |
ken4musiq wrote:
Actually, punk was more of a British phenomena than an American one. When American's think of 1977, they think of Saturday Night Fever. When Brits think of 1977, they think of punk. American 1970s nostalgia is wrapped up in disco and actually the punk that made it by 1978-9 was Talking Heads, Blondie and Gary Numan, which was disco punk or new wave. Since the major prog acts relied on America for their millions of dollars, this must have been difficult for them. My heart bleeds. Even Pink Floyd went disco with The Wall, which I hated when I first heard it. Scissors Sisters do a disco rendition of Comfortably Numb, which is a celebration of the drugs in dance culture.
A big part of the late 1970s was power pop, at which Genesis excelled and the endless forum notes on that pro and con go on and on. I have a whole theory about power pops relation to prog and how prog created the genre that replaced it, but that's another story.
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Ricochet
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 00:52 |
I never thought,for one moment,that punk is responsable to all the
damages and downfalls etc. that has been produced in prog after the
Golden Era...I blame more the tendancy towards simplicity,mediocrity
and commercialism that some artists/bands took...
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: January 28 2006 at 00:11 |
no, IMO punk did not kill prog, prog killed prog. when something gets into the mainstream, even when it is a good thing, it gets watered down so it can sell more to the masses. prog rock started independently, but when the original bands became big, the copy-cats came along and distorted it to something more digestible. It's easy to see that copy cat bands become boring pretty quickly and before long the public, and many music fans, needed something new.
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ken4musiq
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 23:28 |
Actually, punk was more of a British phenomena than an American one. When American's think of 1977, they think of Saturday Night Fever. When Brits think of 1977, they think of punk. American 1970s nostalgia is wrapped up in disco and actually the punk that made it by 1978-9 was Talking Heads, Blondie and Gary Numan, which was disco punk or new wave. Since the major prog acts relied on America for their millions of dollars, this must have been difficult for them. My heart bleeds. Even Pink Floyd went disco with The Wall, which I hated when I first heard it. Scissors Sisters do a disco rendition of Comfortably Numb, which is a celebration of the drugs in dance culture.
A big part of the late 1970s was power pop, at which Genesis excelled and the endless forum notes on that pro and con go on and on. I have a whole theory about power pops relation to prog and how prog created the genre that replaced it, but that's another story.
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walrus333
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 22:53 |
eh, true
I think prog was in a sorry state in 77 though
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Rashikal
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 22:52 |
all punk did was bring the personal connection and youthful energy back
to rock n roll when it was dominated by arena rock, bowie, et cetera
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walrus333
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 22:50 |
As we all know in 1977 punk came along and pushed prog out of favor with the mainstream etc. etc.
But my question is how much did punk really kill prog(or push it out of mainstream favor) and how much had the famous prog bands gotten mediocre musically and were due to be removed fromt he public eye.
For example by 1977 Peter Gabriel had left Genesis, and they released their last "prog" a;bum that year with whatever that live thing was called.
the classic lineup of Yes was gone and so were what is considered their best albums, they had begun the string of mediocre albums
ELP would release their horrid, poppish love beach only a year later
King Crimson would not release anymore records until the 80`s and I think most would agree that their 80`s output pales in comparison to the 70`s output
Also VDGG and Gentle GIant had a few more records that were released in 1977 or later which I havent heard but most of them are rated fairly poorly on this site so I assuming they were nothing to speak of.
I suppose that leaves Pink Floyd and Rush who released good albums in the late 70`s but....
Anyway so my point is was it really that punk was all that special or was prog in sort of a rut at this point and the public wanted something more musically exciting.
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