We -need- progressive rap.

Of course ...this topic is a joke...right???  A May Day joke perhaps...

Edited by valravennz - April 30 2006 at 21:38

heyitsthatguy wrote: btw if you couldnt tell *and hopefully you did* Alby E= Albert Einstein

btw if you couldnt tell *and hopefully you did* Alby E= Albert Einstein

WHAT ABOUT EMINEM ??

PROGRESSIVE RAP...... OH, MY GOD....

Steve Coleman considers rap a genuine, living artform. He even invited some MCs to rap on one of his albums. I loved the result - not least because these were some genuine rappers out there, not 50 cent, Ludacris or whoever.

Umm, someone mentioned a band with 14 minute rap songs a while back. I'll check it out.

I have heard two hip-hop Cds, things falling apart by the roots and The low end theory by a tribe called quest. They were both good and proof that "underground rap" (just like King crimson is underground prog) is good stuff. THe low end theory especially. It is from the heyday of real hip-hop (I use the word real instead of underground from now on) and it is about blending be-bop with rap. I lost it and only heard the CD once, but I remember it being totally mind-opening. I would call it progressive in the sense of the word being an ajective, not a noun, if you know what I mean. The roots one was in odd time sigs, had interesting beats, was live (organic), and unique but powerful. I lost that one too, this is a long story, but I basically lost my entire CD collection. I restored my most important albums illegally, but I forgot a bunch of them. I heard it several times, and the stuff is still in my head, I haven't forgotten how it sounds. I once heard a really great jazz saxophonist, playing live. He had a fifteen minute long jam. Well, more like he soloed for fifteen minutes. But, it was freaking amazing, he just soared higher and stronger then anyone except coltrane (cut me some slack, because I don't know much saxophonists other then him and coltrane who like to solo for 15+ minutes). The crowd was screaming for an encore, and he pulled out a hiphop song. This was a guy much more talented then your average prog artist. The saxophonist even tried freestyle, but it wasn't very good. The drummer was going all out, just like any progressive or jazz drummer would. The keyboardist in the back was evoking all of this spooky stuff in the back, and he even had a solo. The sax guy turned to the audience and is like "yo, whats tha?, whats tha?". So, it owned mostly. The drummer, by the way, was one of the best I've seen, and was formerly a hip hop drummer.

So, in conclusion, progressive hip hop already exists. Progressive rock hip-hop doesn't, most likely. Hip hop isn't bad at all. In fact, it is one of the best artforms, once you get past your predjudices. You all talk about how a good singer is important to prog, and rapers are just rappers, right? Rapping is very diffucult, and I could never acheive a timbre like some rappers. I guess I am white though, so it might be some racial thing.

heyitsthatguy wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Now, if people still want to talk about Rap anf Hip Hop, there are non prog lounges and outside PA thousands of Rap and Hip Hop forums, where if you mention the words Progressive Rock you'll probably be banned or insulted (Most likely both).   Iván FOOL! Uneducated people don't know how to use the internet!! (looow blooow) anyways I wasn't defending rap in any sense; honestly, even the good stuff I can't take *but come on.....MC Hammer......COME ON.....and Run DMC is fun* but though I was taking up the side that it would be interesting to see the alleged "prog rap", I totally agree that it probably couldn't happen. EDIT: After viewing some more myspaces, I take back my comment on uneducated people using the internet.....yeesh.

I like intelligent rap once in awhile. You know, rap with consciousness. The Roots come to mind. Also Rage Against the Machine. Rapping over odd times shouldn't be too hard, but it would take one hell of a good rapper to improv in odd times. Honestly, I would probably listen to rap if it wasn't so negative, angry, artificial, superficial, and had decent musicians playing in a band (like The Roots).

Oh, but there IS prog rap, just listen to Honor Thy Father or This Dying Soul

Still, I think it would be cool for someone to rap *intelligently* over odd time signatures...as long as it had really good musical backing and instrumental passages *or poetry...passages? i dont know*
And I don't think we'll have to worry about Eminem sampling Yes because he's probably never heard of them.

Sure, why not ? It's only a matter of time before cRAP stars start sampling prog. Just imagine when Eminem or some other non-talent in the rap industry finds "Firth of Fifth" or "Close to the Edge" and rips it off for his next hit.