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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2024 at 07:26
The real question that should be asked, is Rush pwog?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2024 at 03:23
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ The Hall Of Fame is as useless as say Apple's top 100 albums of all time.
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^ The Hall Of Fame is as useless as say Apple's top 100 albums of all time. Even by their standards, not having Tull in is very weird. Who did Ian Anderson upset this time? (Everyone I guess lol)
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For whatever it's worth, under the Rush page in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame the first line on the band reads as such:

"Rush are one of the most popular, innovative prog bands of all time."

They are one of five bands in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that are in as a progressive rock band, with Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes and the Moody Blues being the others.

As far as the Hall is concerned, several prog bands Jethro Tull, King Crimson, ELP, Kansas and Supertramp are far more deserving to be in the Hall than many of the bands that went in before them. I think of the newer generation of prog bands Dream Theater, Tool and Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson should get in if there was any justice.

I know Radiohead, which on PA is listed as a Crossover Prog band is in the Hall. But, it appears to me that the Hall doesn't consider them a Prog band. They look at Radio head as more an experimental, alternative rock band.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote johnobvious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2024 at 08:33
I just finished Geddy Lee's book and he referred to their music as prog rock several times like it was a given.
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I love By-Tor and Snow Dog, and it's on my list of best Rush songs.
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^That Owl isn't very wise, Paul.
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A wise owl says By-Tor and the Snow Dog is the most progressive of all of Rush's songs, maybe. Smile

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2024 at 04:20
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

... in 70s Poland and Czechoslovakia, rock music was frowned upon by the government and thus it couldn't be widely advertised, so the "prog" bands from that area at the time, were marketing themselves as more of "jazz" groups rather than "rock" groups.

Btw, it's definitely not my impression that Rock music was any problem in the 1970s Poland. For instance, the Polish (state) Radio was playing whole albums of the most popular Western Rock bands, and did it in a way so it was very convenient to record them on tape recorders / cassette decks.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2024 at 00:46
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Rush did go through different incarnations but never stunk up the place. Roll The Bones was actually the album that brought me back to Rush in the 90's. I thought it was fresh sounding and interesting. Many though regard it as their worst album. Another reason why I like them so much.


They never "stunk up the joint," but at times they got a bit close for my comfort. Unfortunately, I do think Roll the Bones isn't aging that well, mainly due to the dodgy production and the meh-ness (pun intended) of Side 2, with the worst offenders being "Neurotica" and "You Bet Your Life."

Counterparts was a huge step back in the right direction! I skip no songs on that one (and I do on Test for Echo).

But, on the '90s flipside, Alex's Victor album is very much a foray into elements Rush didn't incorporate, and I think it's a successful one. Geddy's My Favorite Headache is very solid, too.
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Originally posted by Hector Enrique Hector Enrique wrote:

Even iconic groups have had albums that were far from progressive rock due to some commercial mutation or musical evolution, or for whatever reason. There are ELP's "Love Beach", Yes's "90125", almost all of Genesis' final stage, Steve Hackett's "Cured", etc, etc... Surely some Rush albums were also a bit distant from the progressive concept (Presto, Roll the Bones, Test for Echo among others), but due to the quantity and quality of albums and songs they have delivered ("By-Tor and Snow Dog", the suites "The Fountain of Lamneth", "2112" and "Cygnus X-1 Book II Hemispheres", Xanadu", "Natural Science", "The Camera Eye", and a list of several etceteras more) it seems to me that the Canadians are part of the great cosmos that is progressive rock and they do it honor.

This does inadvertently raise another question, not so much about Rush but progressive rock in general, does it need to be actually 'good' to be progressive? At some point most bands of any style have done their best work and never better it. They carry on regardless (not Syd James and Hattie Jacques I'm talking about here though Wink) and sometimes reinvent themselves and the music in doing so rather than just release limp pastiche versions of classic albums (Yes **cough**). Rush did go through different incarnations but never stunk up the place. Roll The Bones was actually the album that brought me back to Rush in the 90's. I thought it was fresh sounding and interesting. Many though regard it as their worst album. Another reason why I like them so much.
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^ Nice.
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Even iconic groups have had albums that were far from progressive rock due to some commercial mutation or musical evolution, or for whatever reason. There are ELP's "Love Beach", Yes's "90125", almost all of Genesis' final stage, Steve Hackett's "Cured", etc, etc... Surely some Rush albums were also a bit distant from the progressive concept (Presto, Roll the Bones, Test for Echo among others), but due to the quantity and quality of albums and songs they have delivered ("By-Tor and Snow Dog", the suites "The Fountain of Lamneth", "2112" and "Cygnus X-1 Book II Hemispheres", Xanadu", "Natural Science", "The Camera Eye", and a list of several etceteras more) it seems to me that the Canadians are part of the great cosmos that is progressive rock and they do it honor.
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^ How Deep is My Love for Yacht Rock? About as Deep as My Love for Yachtley Crew. Smile



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Now. Here's the question. Is "Heavy Prog" more artificial of a genre label than "Yacht Rock"? 🤔
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2024 at 07:10
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

There's a difference between an artificial and an organic name for a genre.

I agree that genre names and definitions can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.
Or to put it in a better way, genre names and definitions will always have some degree of subjectiveness, but on the other hand, they can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zeph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2024 at 06:50
Some of the albums? Yes.
All of the albums? No.
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Originally posted by jeeglefun jeeglefun wrote:

Is Rush progressive 

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Considering how many cookie cutter bands get to be considered "progressive", I would say that RUSH is definitely progressive, and I find it sad that folks question it so much ... there aren't/weren/t many bands that had the quantity/quality of a lot of their work in the first place ... makes me wonder how much listening is really being done.
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No comment......jeez.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2024 at 10:30
Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

There's a difference between an artificial and an organic name for a genre.

I agree that genre names and definitions can have different degree of closeness with the real movements.




Edited by David_D - December 26 2024 at 18:16
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