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I wanted to post one more (as my third entry was a bit off the wall).  I posted an entry on one of our other polls by Pascal Comelade who plays music on toy instruments.  This collaboration thread is the perfect place to post another one, a cover, with Robert Wyatt singing lead.

Pascal Comelade and Robert Wyatt - "September Song"



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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Mike:  Monsters of Folk “Dear God”  Light, almost poppy music with some nice harp glisses at the start 😊 Belies the sound at the beginning of a pop sort of song, as the song asks some serious questions.  I like the combination of a really modern production feel here, the chorus is sung in a very soulful way.  The guitar lead is tastefully done, as it comes in near the conclusion.  This one might come back to haunt me, I think.  Temple of the Dog “Hunger Strike”  I remember this one, so can’t vote for it, but it’s a great song.  Thank you for reminding me of it. Beck, Thurston Moore, Tortoise “One Man’s Dream”  Piano at the beginning as guitars are tortured in various ways against that as a backdrop.  There are some orchestral bits on synth?  Or is it just feedback?  Can’t really tell.  When there are not the odd hesitations, I almost start to like what they’re doing, but it feels too disjointed to me (although I understand it’s supposed to) to get a grip on what they’re doing.  There is a spoken part through a lot of strange filters.  I’ll leave this one to the professionals.


Thanks as always for the great comments Nickie.  As far as my 3rd entry, Beck actually did a series of 7 or 8 albums which he called The Record Club albums and on each one he had various guests.  The Yanni album was kind of done as a joke mostly as a way to take something so simple and turn it into another thing altogether.  The track I picked is actually the most accessible one, if you can believe that, and also the most recognizable one if you have heard that album.  The other tracks are so far in left field that they are almost unrecognizable for any Yanni fan.  Beck's Record Club project wasn't always this off the wall however, but it was usually quite experimental.  Not many people hear this side of Beck, but before he was signed to any record label, he was very off-the-wall, and this project was done when he was between contracts.  Yes he can be kooky, but he does it so brilliantly.  I'm sure I won't be posting this one for nomination, but I just had to put it on here to see what people would think.

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Thoughts on first listen, to end of Page One:

Samuel:  FFS “Collaborations Don’t Work”  Right off, the singer makes me think of Ray Davies, especially with the tongue-in-cheek humour of the song.  Very clever piece of music, vocals switch from dance-hall to mock-operatic, starting very starkly just voice and acoustic guitar (or is that a uke?), then full band and orchestral production values as well.    Ends quietly with electric piano, the entire piece sort of is cleverly arranged as seeming to be different things patched together, but of course it is entirely deliberate and does actually work.  Onde Acaba o Oeste  (feat. Viviane)  “Anaquim – 10 Anos“  Bass and electric guitar begin the piece with slowly building drums.  It settles in to a conversational tone with the full band softly playing along, and builds a bit into perhaps the chorus (we shall see).  Presumably Viviane enters the stage and sings, continuing the story.  She plays a solo on a horn of some sort (related to a bombarde, or indeed one, I can’t see it clearly enough).  I see by translation, that this is the story of a rover of some sort, perhaps an old soldier or a person with no country anymore.  There is a sadness to the piece, one feels this is a soul that will always be lost.

Hrychu:  The Recover Collective “Back at the Finja Shack”  Begins with synths and some percussive hits, a spoken into , becomes very bouncy and upbeat still on synths.  This one, as the illustration suggests, sounds very much like a video game soundtrack (or an musical montage of one), with the themes changing and about midway, male vocals are heard.  Second third has electric guitar chiming in.  Spooky laughter and spoken word ends, after an almost false ending.  What is your contribution to the piece, Hrychu?

Logan:  Haco & Sakamoto Hiromichi “Zero Hills”  I very much like the beginning right away, with cello and violin duetting.  Mournful female singer then joins the cello played pizzicato and bowed saw (the theremin before the theremin was invented, lol), I think?  Very pretty and haunting piece, the interplay between her clear vocals and the deep, deep sounds of the plucked cello with the occasional resurgence of the higher pitched violin is just lovely.  A very quiet almost childlike chorus way back in the mix is added near the end of the piece, with the violin sliding into some dissonance as the piece quietly concludes, in a fade-out.  Pierre Henry & Urban Sax “Gate of Paradise”  A blatting sax (or is that on keys?) sound begins the piece (quit harming those sheep!) with blurt and blips of higher pitch at odd intervals.  The blatting becomes more shrill and a kazoo-ish ululation is thrown in for good measure.  More layers and textures are gradually added.  Very hypnotic piece of music.  Toshiyuki Miyama and His New Herd “Masahiko Sato - Ni”  Sonic blast to begin with, almost feedback-y noise with clickery stringy things and dissonance,  cascading horns float in and around, with creaks for punctuation….woingy keys join in and whirly horns are next.  Flutes and/or keyboard flutiness flips into the mix, while those horns and such just keep on continuing.  Somehow I envision deep space with this kind of thing, or perhaps microscopic shenanigans, which you could hear if you were tiny enough.  Drum solo!  And back to the woingy-doingies.  Drum solo!  Percussive piano begins and the band comes back in.  Wow!  Was I driving?  😉

Suitkees:  Nena and Kim Wilde “Anyplace, Anywhere, Anytime”  Back to the 80s and synth pop/rock….loved your intro.  The ultra-cool vocals of Nena and Kim Wilde together….dark and light hair in the video reflect their dark and light(er) vocal styles.  They mesh really well vocally, perfect 80’s production here.  Great song for summer driving on the coast.  Cesar Zuiderwijk & Jasper van’t Hof “Polo”  Piano beginning with kick drum and then full kit joining in, in a jazzy upbeat groove.  Synth keys add an almost orchestral swell underneath, with the bass and drums steadily keep on underneath.  A sax comes along and joins in the fun.  Another great piece for driving along while enjoying a great view and some music to go along with it.  Bill Bruford & Michiel Borstlap “Two Left Shoes” My favourite drummer here.  😊  Begins with syncopated percussion then keyboards and I think bass?  The percussion becomes more complex and builds tension.  Keyboard wash, then a repeating line on the keys. The keyboards and percussion continue on in this vein and eventually it turns down to a quieter piano with the same main melodic notes and some swirly whirlies on the piano, as those drum continue on in oh-so-interesting ways.  The piece ends after the swirly parts.  Bozzio, Levin & Stevens “Lost” A favourite combination of mine, I have another recording of this grouping, “Black Light Syndrome,” in my collection.  This one has some strong hitting chords with more great percussion behind it all.  This one is very angular to my ear, if that makes any sense.  The washes return with some repeating keys and then some just absolutely searing guitar.  Love that guitar.  The dynamics shift to a bit more quiet of a setting and spiky sounding punctuation.  Bass is also very engaging, as should be….These are all masters at what they do.  Fantastic.     And back to the main theme before the piece ends abruptly.  *applauds*

Lorenzo:  Fabrizio De André “Khorakhané (A Forza di essere vento)”  Beautiful, soaring keys with an electric guitar begin the mournful piece.  Vocalist with much emotion tells the sad story.  A bell tolls with swelling orchestral touches.  Most of the production is very spare.  A woman sings at the very end of the piece, this one gave me chills.     Another from Fabrizio, arranged by PFM “Amico Fragile”  Guitar and the now-familiar-to-me voice of Frabrizio.  He reminds me much of Leonard Cohen, in his subject matter and delivery, although he has a more “musical” voice.  The electric guitar is very passionate in this one.  His sense of angst and frustration with the empty-minded come through quite clearly in the piece.  Thirdly, “La Guerra de Piero”, also Fabrizio, this time in collaboration with Modena City Ramblers and Piero Pelù.  Begins with oud or lute?  Flutes join in with the impassioned vocals that tell of the ravages of war.  They slip into an Irish slip jig, “The Butterfly.”  Reminds me of what I think of as a “village song,” a term I use from time to time (not sure how technical it is).  I like the beat of this a lot and the instrumentation as well as the tale. 

Lewian:  Jah Wobble, Holger Czukay, Jaki Liebezeit & More “It Was A Camel”  Braking sort of sound made on cymbals, I think, bass comes bubbling in and muted speaking comes along.  Jumpy sort of guitars and horns with scratching (whatever gait IS that camel using?) and percussive piano begins layering in.  The camel’s life just gets more complicated as wah-wah-y horns begin infiltrating and it all drops out for the piano to flourish for a moment.  Back to the main story with whistles at intervals and some almost-Island-ish or African guitar wangling in.  The piece comes to a fade as it closes out.  Somehow it made me envision a sort of cartoon camel who was visiting different places, as you watched from his perspective.

Cristi:  Coverdale/Page “Whisper a Prayer For The Dying”  Begins with repeating electric guitar lick and David Coverdale’s classic rock-type voice.  The music becomes more intense and Coverdale goes into the outer limits of his range.  Orchestral hits punctuate and the repeating guitar riff returns and becomes a fiery solo by Page.  The orchestral bit reminds me a bit of “Kashmir,” a brief homage, perhaps.  This is obviously first class music of it’s genre.  I prefer the lower register of Coverdale, which he utilizes quite a bit in this one.  Off Course ft. Erik Truffaz  “Tales of the Lighthouse”  Now for something completely different.  Soft jazz feel to this, goes perfectly with the windsurfing cover.  Electric piano, congas perhaps as percussion and muted horn join together for a perfectly relaxing time.  Later, a return to the horn soloing again.  Pretty guitar solo about midway through.  Makes me want to sit in the sun and enjoy an adult beverage while the band plays on.

Mike:  Monsters of Folk “Dear God”  Light, almost poppy music with some nice harp glisses at the start 😊 Belies the sound at the beginning of a pop sort of song, as the song asks some serious questions.  I like the combination of a really modern production feel here, the chorus is sung in a very soulful way.  The guitar lead is tastefully done, as it comes in near the conclusion.  This one might come back to haunt me, I think.  Temple of the Dog “Hunger Strike”  I remember this one, so can’t vote for it, but it’s a great song.  Thank you for reminding me of it. Beck, Thurston Moore, Tortoise “One Man’s Dream”  Piano at the beginning as guitars are tortured in various ways against that as a backdrop.  There are some orchestral bits on synth?  Or is it just feedback?  Can’t really tell.  When there are not the odd hesitations, I almost start to like what they’re doing, but it feels too disjointed to me (although I understand it’s supposed to) to get a grip on what they’re doing.  There is a spoken part through a lot of strange filters.  I’ll leave this one to the professionals.

Easy Money:  John Cale & Terry Riley “Church of Anthrax”  Love love love the name!  LOL  Organ and bass and some electronic keys and percussion set the scene.  Very back of front production, I enjoy the various layers as they enter the room and sit down in the pews, if you will.  This is very spacey in a good way.  It is fairly avant feeling, yet with a purpose, which the Yanni cover by Beck et al seemed to be trying too hard to me to achieve.  Violin comes along and joins the worshippers in the church, then saxophone, I think, perhaps tenor?  Or that could be done with keys, I don’t know.  But I very much enjoy the groove.  Are they accepting new members at the church?



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I give you another one with Holger Czukay, this time Holger goes techno with Dr. Walker (Liquid Sky). I only picked this track because it's the shortest on the album, they are even more impressive with more time, but anyway, I love this album from beginning to end so this will do. "Backup Dream"
Now this one is more of a joke and chances are you won't get the German lyrics, but it's so much fun...
This is written by my favourite German hiphop(?) band Deichkind and called: "Selber machen lassen", which as a title is a stroke of genius, it puts three German words together in a superficially logical way, but the third one turns the meaning of the first two pretty much into the opposite. In English something like: "Let somebody do it yourself". And this is exactly what happens: They let others do the rapping and the video themselves for them, including wise words such as on "if you don't do it yourself you can't get it wrong, thought of that?" oder "upright is the new vertical", otherwise many things are listed that you can let others do yourself. I totally love this but in this forum it's certainly one of the darkest horses. Have fun.



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^ Ooh, that's a favourite of mine.
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John Cale and Terry Riley   "Church of Anthrax"




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Let me know if this counts.

"Monsters of Folk" is a collaboration of Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Connor Oberst (Bright Eyes) and M. Ward (She & Him [which is actually another collaboration of M. Ward and actress Zooey Deschanel]).  On this particular song, which was written by Jim James, features each one of them singing a verse.  The video that accompanies it was a contest winner chosen by the band. 

Monsters of Folk - "Dear God"



Next is Temple of the Dog which consisted of Chris Cornell (Soundgarden, Audioslave) and Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam) and members from various grunge bands.  As you can tell in the video, they were quite a bit younger back then.  This one was quite popular in the 90's.

Temple of the Dog - "Hunger Strike"



And now for something completely different......

Most everyone knows the New Age artist Yanni, right?

What would happen if you took Beck Hansen (Beck), Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth) and members of the progressive jazz band Tortoise, put them in a room together, and had them cover Yanni's album "Live at the Acropolis"?  Well I'll give you a taste with one of the tracks (and this one is the most sane of them all).  Talk about deconstruction....

Beck, Thurston Moore, Tortoise - "One Man's Dream"









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OK, before others also start to cheer for more Nena, I will do something different. But with this first one I will stay in the 80s (got used to that decade now...). This is a collaboration between Golden Earring drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk and keyboardist Jasper van 't Hof (who we already met in the Africa poll with his band Pili Pili). In 1985 they issued the album Labyrinth... There are a couple of more pop-rock oriented songs on it, with the wonderful singer Julya Loko, and a couple of - more jazzy - instrumentals. Here one, with Bob Malach on saxophone...

Cesar Zuiderwijk & Jasper van't Hof - Polo:



Talking about drummers teaming up with keyboardists/pianists, here is Bill Bruford with Michiel Borstlap. They issued two albums and one live and I see these have only 14, 8 and 7 ratings respectively here on PA, so I'm not ashamed to put them up here, from their live album "in concert in Holland":

Bill Bruford & Michiel Borstlap - Two Left Shoes:



And, talking about drummers... oh no, no keyboardist this time. And not really jazzy as the others, we want rock! Let's get lost in this wonderful collaboration between Terry Bozzio, Tony Levin and Steve Stevens:

Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - Lost:



(I was so overwhelmed by Nena's voice that these are all instrumentals... Ermm Tongue )

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Lovely idea, Samuel!  Let me know if any of these do not suit.

From Bill Ward's first solo release on Chameleon Records in 1985, here is Jack Bruce on vocals and playing bass, on "Light Up The Candles" .  Incidentally, filed right next to Was/Not Was in my LP collection.  Bill used many special guests on this recording.  


Next up is a collaboration between Atilio Adrian Metteucci (Athy the Electric Harpist) and cellist Jesse Ahmann, "Eterno Invierno del Alma."  



And lastly, to lighten the mood, I bring back Seckou Keita on kora, this time with Welsh harpist, Catrin Finch, in a live performance of "Bamba." 





 




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Off Course featuring Erik Truffaz



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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Really nice suggestions so far Thumbs Up

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Question, does the work itself have to state it as a collaboration (such as John Doe with Jane Doe in the name of the "act"), or will, say, a solo or group recording with guest artists be admissible?  
If it's a featured guest with enough presence in the song, you can suggest it.

I'll use my suggestion for example:

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The song starts at 0:30. I was on the third row, hearing this song live was reason enough to be there.
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I think I'm OK then....You can let me know if any selection doesn't work.  

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well, here is the first song I thought of on the topic. Tongue


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Really nice suggestions so far Thumbs Up

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Question, does the work itself have to state it as a collaboration (such as John Doe with Jane Doe in the name of the "act"), or will, say, a solo or group recording with guest artists be admissible?  
If it's a featured guest with enough presence in the song, you can suggest it.

I'll use my suggestion for example:

The song starts at 0:30. I was on the third row, hearing this song live was reason enough to be there.
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Here's one, finally, that has my avatar man on it.
It Was a Camel - Jah Wobble, Holger Czukay, Jaki LIebezeit and more collaborators. Sound quality of the video could be better, but that's how it is.



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Waaah! We have Nena again! Big smile
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This is my tribute to Fabrizio De André (poet, singer, songwriter, anarchist)

This song 

1) Khorakhané (A Forza di essere vento)


This song was written by Fabrizio de André and Ivano Fossati, and it is sung by Fabrizio De André, apart from the ending, a poem in the Romanesque language by the Sinti poet Giorgio Bezzecchi sung by Dori Ghezzi. Can it go as a collaboration? I hope so.

The song talks about the Sinti of Montenegro, Muslims, exterminated in the Nazi concentration camps.

The title is in the Sinti language, and means "Those who love the Koran", and the part in parentheses means By dint of being wind.




2) "Amico fragile" is written by Fabrizio De André and arranged by PFM.

Live performace is by Fabrizio De André and Pfm

(wonderful performance by Franco Mussida on the guitars)




3) La guerra di Piero (written by Fabrizio De André)

Arranged by Modena City Ramblers, sung by Modena City Ramblers and Piero Pelù.



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I think I will sit out of this poll and then come back for the next one which, if I remember correctly, I will be in charge of. I still haven't voted in the previous poll, and I hope I can also get some time to do a couple of album reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2021 at 01:49
Oh nice, collaborations!   ...  Nena...! ... In which poll am I...? ... Where...?   Wait...

Nena & Kim Wilde - Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann / Anyplace, Anywhere, Anytime:




(A remake of Nena's hit from 1984... I'll be back with some serious suggestions...)



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nice idea, I'll get back to it once i have some songs in mind.Tongue
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