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Woon Deadn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2010 Location: P Status: Offline Points: 1017 |
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You may say it's my Eastern European specifics, but I always feel suspicious about that kind of things. Like, you are getting totally relaxed, lose/loose everything - and then heaven comes to your body and mind. "Why in the world should heaven come to my mind?", - asks me my post-Soviet consciousness. Again, being from the country of Ukraine that changed its borders numerous times (and we're speaking of the last two centuries only!), I may feel somewhat neurotic about the good coming for almost nothing.
I am actually afraid to be totally open to an unknown, unnamed Higher Force, Higher Power that may bear strange for my ear Indian or Japanese name. I'd rather beieve it is a devilish force than a divine force. It is easier to contact demons than angels - that's my view on the things. Speaking of artistic inspiration, sort of channeling - I have experienced it a lot in my life. As I have already written somewhere on the forum, I do NOT play any music instruments - but I DO love making music. For the most part, my attempts are laughable (while certainly listenable for some people in some mood) - at times, I happen to create really professional sequences of several seconds to one minute or so using DAW's or even playing in the smartphone keyboard apps. It may be my very long and dense listening experience (I have like 50,000 mp3 files in my collection), but there may also be a factor of something coming from outside of me. There were cases when I just put several tens of notes in MuseScore DAW virtually randomly - and it produced an unexpectedly charming melody. With poems it is even more tremendously evident. I wrote several books of poetry in Ukrainian and Russian. I know very well that sometimes poems just flow, words just appear. Once, the beginning of a poem came to me in the morning when I was still sleeping. Brain activities are miraculous. |
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Favourite Band: Gentle Giant
Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52658 |
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I can't say that I totally understand what it is that you have accomplished, but I am happy for you and think it's very brave of you to have shared your experience.
Perhaps you experienced an expansion of your consciousness?
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
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Oliverstoned, what is this meditation about? what makes it different from other traditional forms of meditation?
Did someone train you? or you learnt it by internet? Tell us a bit more about it, what does it consist in exactly. TX
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Woon Deadn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2010 Location: P Status: Offline Points: 1017 |
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Believe it or not, I never smoked anything in my entire 37 years' life. At one time I was going to buy a tin pack (too slim to call it a box) of Cafe Creme cigarillos 'cause I had once read Kerry Minnear (Gentle Giant's keyboardist, just in case) smoked Cafe Creme cigars or so in his youth. But there were only cardboard packs of Cafe Creme where I looked for them, there were tins of Clubmaster available - Kerry did not tell whether he smoked Clubmaster. I decided not to buy the cardboard pack - although perhaps Kerry bought quite cardboard pack. Who knows...
Of all the drugs we're talking about I only drank some alcohol, terribly strong green tea and I must say that being very tired, sleeping little is probably the cheapest and the most effective drug of all. Anyway, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, as a religious man, I know and see that any earthly, material addiction is not a good thing, at all.
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Favourite Band: Gentle Giant
Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17968 |
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Such an awesome post....
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Just waiting for the ability to donate hard earned currency toward facilitating this spiritual epiphany amongst we shallow salaried materialists who frequent Prog Archives for a glimpse of Nirvana. Blow it out your ass oliverstoned.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18078 |
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Hi,
I am, and have been for many years, an avid reader of a lot of things that lead to the areas that you mention and help one's inner constitution. However, I had to work 40/50 hours or more weekly to support myself and be able to spend more time in the areas that I love so much ... I was born into a time of movies, classical music and theater, and then rock music showed up! My tendencies tend towards what a lot of people consider "weird" and "strange" because it is not of the cookie cutter variety and definitely not of the top ten variety of diet pills that you go buy in the supermarket! To this end, when I started reading Carlos Castaneda, I realized quite quickly that it was not about all the dope visuals that were being described ... it was about the perception of it all, and most people got stuck in the drug fueled ideas and visions, and then a few years later ... they got upset when don Juan said to Carlos when he asked if drugs were needed ... "of course not you idiot, but we had to give you something to get you to shut up and see something else!". A bit blunt, but to the point and I had no ideas about it, and felt that it was an important lesson ... it was at that time that I was trying out a little of the colorful stuff, but I was not a grass smoker (never have been!) and was not interested in the harder stuff whatsoever. The psychedelics were attractive because I was very well read on a lot of literature going all the way back to Levi, Crowley, Fortune, Rampa, Gurdjieff, and many others, and they all showed a sort of visual thing that everyone seemed to be afraid of around me ... tripping on the music in the West Coast (before the big place went out in SF), was cool, but I found out realy quick that it was mindless and for the most part many of these folks were simply trying to hide from their daily grind ... and I knew from the visualizations that it should not be mindless and HAD TO CONNECT to the outer person ... not escape from it. That I was into the visual arts, like theater and film, was no surprise. I saw in them an outlet for a lot of imaginary stuff and how it was interpreted and it is in these things that I have dedicated my efforts, though these days I mostly write ... with one exception ... I have in the past couple of years developed an uncanny ability to write a "novel" in my half/dream state and have finished many of them, although I have not (and likely will not do so!) write any of them down in reality. The continuity was awesome ... for example ... when things only got so far on one night, the next night I could continue from that exact moment ... and this taught me something about the writing thing when you can't come up with anything ... and the story moves on like there was no break. Nothing missing in the "set" (for example) or the conversation. No "lag" in the story which showed that you continued it three months later and the feeling is now different. I have been writing a massive document on these things, and am not in a condition to describe it, or explain it YET ... but it is about developing some of these moments into something valuable and useful ... WITHIN AN ARTISTIC ATMOSPHERE. Many folks here have seen me describe, non stop, details having to do with improvisation and other moments, many of which are defined through a lot of my inner "spiritual" studies. Some of these details are scary for many, specially musicians that have an idea that all music is dependent on the notes ... not anything else ... doesn't say much about how music was created, does it ... but these same folks don't consider that music ... they consider that child-less-ness. You have to know this and that and this and that ... and in the end, the truth is ... you REALLY DON'T ... you just have to experience it, as you describe ... and the sad fact is that many folks here are not willing to do so, based on their cozy situations ... I'm not finger pointing ... I would rather use that finger with paints on a canvas, see? So a comment here is not necessary about anyone.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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But if there's something that is not about following the cattle, it's what im doing
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Yes, i told you, i m stoner than ever. Confusion, indeed, i m typing those messages from my smartphone, not easy on the tiny screen.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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I guess you're stoned!
![]() You quoted me in both of your last posts; the latter being also a self-quote... Which one was a reply to me? I don't belileve in God, so I'm assuming your last post is that one. Or was it intended to be for rogerthat? I think the only topic here is your personal expeprience... So how does one be on-topic except for talking about your particular case? Anyway... I think that all religions, meditations and stuff lilke that are promoted to keep people under control. I don't say that their origin was meant to be that way. But they are sinisterly used to keep people in their miserable place in the world... Yes, the only way to keep the crowds from revolting is making them believe that they live a fulfilling life... using some artificial means like this. Am I on topic now? As I said, I'm happy for you... But that doesn't change my idea about such stuff. Tools to keep the crowds under control, disabling their true nature, blocking their minds' real transcendental ability and substituting it for artificial methods of self satisfaction. I'm a materalist, but I'm the enemy of elite materialism... Deceiving people and enjoying the material pleasures of the world themselves. Our body is like a computer. Be careful your authentic soul is your real software and beware of the people who can alter the functions of your hardware! Edited by Shadowyzard - November 19 2020 at 02:40 |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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I think you're off topic. It's not about how you face your life with courage, it's rather that we're usually identified with our body, mind, emotions, material possessions, all things that will be lost, during life or in the death process. So we're limited with the survival process. |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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I bielive in God too and this is about experiencing the divine dimension |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Let me give a suitably pompous/pretentious answer being that this is progarchives. Maybe the people responding here, myself included, don't belong to those sections of population. Maybe, contrary to the critics' constant lampooning of prog, it helps fill up our lives and keeps us sane. Whatever. I know that's absolute nonsense but to echo what Steve said, I don't particularly set store for other means to alter one's mental state either. Let's see, I try not to gloat because this has been a very difficult year for many people. I have had challenges on the work front too but was never without employment and have retained my job into the last month of the year. Who knows what tomorrow will bring, maybe something could happen to get me fired but I will face it. In the meantime: 1) Living in Mumbai which like New York has lots of public transport and terrible traffic, I never bothered to learn to drive all these years. I did during the covid lockdown and just in the nick of time because they started calling us once, twice and now thrice a work in the workplace and I am able to drive back and forth in rush hour traffic. Just a little sample of what driving in Mumbai looks like: 2) I used this period to invest both in terms of equipment and technical training in my singing (and also my father who also likes to sing). I won't say who but I received a wonderful voice lesson from a Broadway legend. The lockdown had her twiddling her thumbs, presumably, and she used the time to offer lessons so I got lucky. May not have happened in a different year. 3) Spent a lot more time with family because of these circumstances. Like I said, I recognize that I am very fortunate to be in this position and I don't want to gloat. I laid out all of the above only to make the point that it's not a given that ALL of us need or seek help or intervention of some form. Life has its ups and downs but mostly I am sorted, thank you very much. Tomorrow if it throws me a curveball, I will face it.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Oops. It is a very long story. I first did it about 14 years ago... At first, I tried to do that to try something completely new to me. I wasn't really believing in that. After I tried some techniques, it didn't happen. Then after some time, it began to happen by itself. As I said, it has become much rarer in the last years. I concluded that, that experience grants somebody (at least me) what you exactly need that time, and sometimes what you ask for. Being conjured up in space and travelling between the stars in an incredible speed? Yup, it happened and it was extremely fun and exhilerating. Gliding above beautiful landscapes full of colour, coupled with sensuality? Yup, it was one of the best moments of my life. I even felt the wind. Yet, once, I wished to see the most beautiful and pleasuresome place in the universe, but I was conjured up inside a place like an elevator shaft where there were floating ugly brown sofas that were opening and closing their mouths. Haha. So then, I began to be careful about my wishes. Hahahaha. It can be also something sexually satisfying or disturbing... I heard that some people use astral projection for some real purposes. I really never tried that. Like I said, I'm a materalilst. I have a broad mind, and can be convinced that I can witness a real thing in somewhere far away via this. But then again, I would only think that it would be like my mind does the maths, collects the info (like you can get from the internet, maps etc.) and some mysterious inspiration like data... Long story in short, I don't think that it is really an out of body experience. But it definitely is like your psyche is/feels like disconnected from your body for a short time. |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13796 |
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Because the vast majority of people do not wish to explore in this way. I am one of them. I like to have a few pints of ale, and I smoke cigarettes. I have never taken any mind altering drugs. I won’t even touch pot. I am relatively happy with my puny little mind just the way it is, thank you. Just like the vast majority of normal, day to day living, hard working, family raising, under the cosh human beings. You are right that there are some cultures where prescription drugs are an issue, and by this I take it to mean antidepressants. The latest figures from the UK show that 26% of the population had prescription drugs last year. Of these, 17% were on antidepressants, so the 40% you quote sounds to me like one of Friede’s statistics, i.e. a tad overblown. It is here more like 4% of the populace. Of the remaining 96%, an even smaller proportion will be hooking tabs, injecting junk, or snorting coke up their hooters, although the proportion of those regularly smoking dope will be a lot higher. I believe in God. My wife practices Reiki healing techniques, and both of us are very interested in the spiritual side of both ourselves and wider humanity. Being rather dull, though, neither of us feel the need to get off of our trolleys in order to do so. Very boring, I know. I did read your original post, but chose not to respond, because I have very little interest or sympathy in such matters. Without wishing to come across as po-faced or judgmental, I personally find the need to get off of one’s head constantly pretty weak and pathetic. However, being the freedom loving chap I am, whatever floats your boat is my motto.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Thanks for your kind answers guys. What's strange to me is that there are a lot of depressed people, something like 40% of the population is under prescription drugs, and many others are just bored with life, anxious and so on... but almost no one seems to be interested by the kind of experience i m talking about.
Why is it so? |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Can you tell more about your astral projections experiences ? |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Whatever works for you, man.
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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The brain is a powerful and mostly untapped organ. Unlocking even just a few of it's drawers can be very rewarding indeed. I've explored various techniques of higher being over the years. Cannabis and music work for me.
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Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17968 |
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Yes oliver, it has been a long time since you have posted here on PA.......Interesting story and seems to be helping you overall. Anything that can help to stop addictions to chemicals and alcohol is a blessing, that alone will bring you much more peace and control of your life.
Glad it helped you! Cheers!
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