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Lewian 
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Went through everything once now... I think I have first and second spot, but more than half a dozen candidates for the third one. Overall quite enjoyable!
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mathman0806
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Posted: June 13 2020 at 02:17 |
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I hear what you are saying. In fact, with some of their other songs, I would like them to 'slow' things down. The singer (who also plays keyboards), shakuhachi player, and koto player also form a folk pop trio called Hanafugetsu. You might like this one. And here's a performance (instrumental) including the wadaiko drummer from the Wagakki Band. Edited by mathman0806 - June 13 2020 at 02:38 |
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 20:00 |
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I love it when people discuss things out when they were misunderstood. Bravo to you both!
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Shadowyzard
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 19:50 |
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Firstly, thanks for the nice reply. I also didn't mean you concluded that Dimash is pretentious altogether. I just mentioned that he also sings differently in other songs, to emphasize my view, which is: this song calls for this performance. Springsteen & Morello performance even brought tears to my eyes. I sensed a sublime interaction throughout. Morello was "firm" when needed, and Springsteen gets extremely passionate and vice versa. Morello's lunatic solos are not my thing, but I think they came from his heart. They didn't spoil the magic for me. It seems like Springsteen felt the same way. Countless thanks for sharing this, I was amazed. By the way, do you know Jussi Björling? If not, what do you think about his voice after listening through the video I put? If you have time, I'd be happy to learn your impression. Edited by Shadowyzard - June 12 2020 at 19:53 |
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micky
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 19:45 |
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any Africans here.. Indians.. Mongolians.. Chinese... Vietnamese..
nah.. don't dig that caveat... at all. so meet you half way.. no restrictions.. other than common sense and remembering the whole spirit of these poll. Thus the theme.. not the rule. After this many polls I think most have the gist of the game. Exploring new stuff.. different stuff. If one wants to toss off some jazz or classical.. no problem.. we haven't stopped top 40 hits from being nominated. all for fun.. and a chance to discover something you might not heard... what say thee man... got a deal
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 19:27 |
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Well, Micky, if you want to open the next poll, with rules opposite to this, that are: - only instrumental songs from our country, that's fine for me. Then after Micky I will open the poll which will have the theme of the songs influenced by Latin American music. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 19:14 |
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It is clear that you cannot agree with me because if you put this piece here it means that you like it very much. But, It's the first time I listen to a song sung by Dimash. My impression is about this song, not about Dimash. I could appreciate Dimash in other songs or when he sings Verdi or Wagner or Mozart etc. I for example considered Pavarotti a great tenor, certainly better than Carreras or Domingo, but his participation in pop songs almost always gave kitschy results (the best song remains the one with U2). Dictionary: Kitsch: art, objects, or design considered to be in poor taste because of excessive garishness or sentimentality, but sometimes appreciated in an ironic or knowing way. When I wrote that the song seems to me closer to being pretentious, exaggerated and Kitsch (ok, let's forget about bad taste) rather than art, I mean the overall effect of bombastic music with the virtuosity of singing. It seems clear to me that the music is emphatic and that it leaves room for Dimash to show off his virtuosity and his vocal range, which are truly extraordinary. But it is this combination of emphatic music plus virtuoso singing that seems exaggerated to me. I don't think in the least that Dimash pretends to possess skills he doesn't have, that's not what I meant by pretentious. He has all the skills. Pretentious (maybe I misuse this word in English) in this case for me it means wanting to transform a simple and linear song like this into a pumped-up song, which tries to reach great emotional moments with the arrangement and virtuosity.In general, when a player or singer is a virtuoso, he must be careful not to overdo it, not to turn music into an exhibition of his skills. There is also the case in which pretentious means trying out a serious work that is beyond your ability, and this for me the EL&P did with Pictures at an Exhibition. Supertramp are often kitsch, in my opinion, but I like them. But for example, I love this song by Bruce Springsteen and, if you have time, what do you think about Morello's guitar solo? Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 12 2020 at 19:17 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 19:06 |
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Sorry about that, didn't mean to mess up anyone's entry. I'm okay doing it anyway they want to do it. I have something in mind either way. |
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:55 |
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:39 |
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I have a top two. Need a relisten, and have to decide whether it'll be a late night or a Saturday morning one. Mood might dictate number 3.
On Eartha Kitt, best Catwoman. Blows away Julie Newmar, Michelle Pfiefer, Halle Berry, Anne Hathaway, and likely Zoe Kravitz when her turn comes up next year. As a young boy, that was my first exposure to her. Loved the way she said "Purr-fect."  The only song I really knew from her is her rendition of Santa Baby, which is very good, so it was nice to hear something else. That's what these polls are about. You share what you like, but get exposed to music you wouldn't normally search out on your own.
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:29 |
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I again don't agree with your final sentence.
Dimash was invited by operas, but rejected to follow his own career within the scope of "popular music". He and Krutoy doesn't claim that this is fully an operatic piece in all classical standarts. But Dimash here sings with full operatic techniques. Let me give an example: I hate extreme metal generally. Especially grindcore. But even though they double the speed of even speed metal and I see that as sick or of bad taste, if a grindcore band conveys what they intend properly; I wouldn't call it "pretentious". I think pretentiousness, in this context, connotes that something is done exaggeratedly, and is not convincing and/or lacks integrity & soul. It can also connote that someone is "faking" that s/he is better than what his/her real qualities and capabilities are. We are all entitled to our own opinions, I respect yours, but I'll not agree with your take on this. |
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Lewian
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:29 |
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Hmmm. Not sure if it has to be made "hard". Everyone will anyway propose something that is dear to them, and that should be qualification enough. Also there's lots of classical and jazz music but we haven't had that much of it in these polls yet. (Reason that I write this is that I'm already preparing, and what you wrote may kill my potential entry.
 Shouldn't be a problem to find another one, but...) |
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:20 |
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As I've written, when a pop-song is sung by an opera singer, it is often difficult for me to make a judgment. In Italy we are often very strict with the opera singers who start making pop, for example Pavarotti and Bocelli have been highly criticized. Then a few years ago the three tenors of the group Il VOLO won Sanremo, and even in that case the music critics were divided between those who appreciated them and those who cut them off. On this song, as I said, I only expressed my mpression, and it is clearly subjective and I can be wrong. To me in general the performance seems exaggerated. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 18:19 |
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that I had really picked up on [/QUOTE] Awwwwww, shucks  
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Posted: June 12 2020 at 17:56 |
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that I had really picked up on
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I won't discuss your other words, but will fiercely disagree with "pretentious". Powerful lyrics are conveyed in an impactful manner. Dimash sings some other operatic songs, and they are different. It is bombastic, yes. But it was meant to be that way. Edit: Ah sorry, bombastic (bombastik) can also carry a positive meaning in Turkish, when I checked its English meaning I decided I won't agree with that one too. Bad taste is subjective, so I won't argue that. Edited by Shadowyzard - June 12 2020 at 18:00 |
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I have this weak spot for vocal harmonies whether they are traditional or dissonant, real or overdubbed. One of my favorite vocal bands is one that usually gets made fun of, but I've always loved The Manhattan Transfer because of their amazing use of jazz vocalizations and harmonies, both traditional and contemporary. My guilty pleasure. |
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PART 1.
1) Rokia Traore - Tuit Tuit. Excellent song, where you can hear the spirit of Africa in tribal singing and percussion but with an electric sound. Podium candidate. 2) Dimash K ... _ Very emphatic electronic music, which supports the singer, who sings as if he was in an opera by Giuseppe Verdi, but with many virtuosity, where he demonstrates his impressive vocal extension. In these cases, when you have a pop sound and a vocal performance worthy of a lyric opera, I often cannot decide whether I am dealing with an exceptional piece or a presumptuous, exaggerated, tacky, almost garbage piece. In Italy we have had recent cases with IL VOLO, where three boys sings like in an opera (in the past I remember when Pavarotti sung. with U2 and Zucchero). I don't discuss Dimash K.'s vocal abilities but in my opinion the overall effect of music + vocal performance gives a result closer to bombastic, pretentious, kitsch, that is, bad taste, rather than art. 3) The Bothy Band. A cappella singing, in reality often in unison, very fast. It doesn't warm my heart. 4) Pino Daniele - Che Te Ne fotte? Pino Daniele is respected by everyone in Italy, his music is international, taking a lot of his sound and the rhythm from the American one, especially African American, while the words and certain arrangements are Mediterranean, from southern Italy: a very original fusion music. He is an excellent guitarist and an expressive singer. I'm not a fan of his, but in general I prefer his blues songs, this one is more funky and I'm not thrilled, even if it's always pleasant and relaxing to listen to him. 5) Wagakki Band - This song seems punk, very loud, fast, with too much drum sound, but the singer 's voice is excellent and the best moments are when the very intrusive drummer stops and we can hear oriental sounds. It looks like a punk song superimposed on Japanese singing that I hear in Japanese restaurants accelerated. A curious experiment, although in my opinion the song renounces the artistic part a little to concentrate on the more commercial one. Anyway, a candidate? 6) Connie Dover - Ubi Caritas. Latin song, with celestial voice and church background. Nice atmosphere but little developed, without a crescendo, and with the background music a little blurry apart from the percussion. 7) P- Motel - The Great Brain. Cybernetic song, marked from below, reminiscent of the King Crimson of the third phase and Talking Heads, or the new wave, for the excellent rhythm, but here it is very schizoid and accelerated. Short but very successful song. It's a candidate. |
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^ reading my mind.. I had thought that as well in term of a bit of restriction. The idea inspired in part with what Nickie posted with that killer Afro stuff.. stuff a bit more outside the norms of 'western music'..
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jamesbaldwin wrote:
I plan on a round of relistens this evening... for me this round of songs followed the path of many of the others polls. The first listens are with half an ear ..looking for the one that grabs you hard and makes you say .. hell yeah!! Every poll for me has had that one. This one was no different. One immediately caught my ear.. and umm.. eyes.. 