Hey! Non-Americans!

chopper wrote: Some of the stuff he puts on Twitter is unbelievable. I also liked the mental test he passed in which he had to tell the time and identify a lion. What I'm wondering is - is he really as stupid as he appears to be? (A bit like Boris really).

Depends how you measure stupid. He's run big businesses with varying degrees of success over the years, so he must have something between his ears. That's not automatically a qualification to run a country, of course. I'm inclined to think he's merely a charmless, crass arsehole who doesn't give a sh*t what people think, has no social skills and an enormous fragile ego from a lifetime of getting what he wants. For that reason alone he is unsuitable for the top job. That is self evident IMO.

People forget, he was voted into power not by an overwhelming majority of American people, but thanks to the electoral college votes. There was no mass appetite for change as his fanboys would claim; merely a mistrust of Hillary Clinton; for good reason IMO. Had the dems fielded a better candidate they would have won, but such is their vanity and desperation to shoehorn any woman into office to affirm their PC credentials, they blew it, then acted all shocked and hurt afterwards.

Peter wrote: Yep, Sean--that cartoon says it all. I especially like how the globe is about to fall. Nice touch!

What Vompatti says makes sense to me. His childish behaviour shows that, not only for his complete lack of diplomacy and political view, but at first place by his total lack of an in-depht dealing with presidential issues.

Blacksword wrote: Vompatti wrote: It seems a lot of leftists are jealous of a powerful and dangerous man like him. This comment is almost completely meaningless. It barely warrents a reply, but I'd like to invite you to expand. If you can. I don't think it's jealousy. Regardless of his power the man is transparrently not fit for purpose.

Vompatti wrote: It seems a lot of leftists are jealous of a powerful and dangerous man like him.

This comment is almost completely meaningless. It barely warrents a reply, but I'd like to invite you to expand. If you can.

I don't think it's jealousy. Regardless of his power the man is transparrently not fit for purpose.

Barbu wrote: Peter wrote: Atavachron wrote: Really?  Donald Trump is bad?  Thank you for the insight and for raising a conversation that everyone's been having for a year already.  It's nice to read an original thought, one that brings something new to the table and opens the discussion up to new and productive ideas. Oy. Is that what we supposed to do here? Be productive? Productive of conversation and even community, perhaps? Or are we trying to change the world? I understand that politics is a dangerous, divisive subject (perhaps I was unwise to raise it), but I don't see any need to sarcastically belittle me--unless, of course, I have offended you personally. If so, please believe I did not mean to, and please accept my apologies. (Unless you are actually Donald Trump.) At a social gathering, I just don't join in conversations I have no interest in. Why not just ignore my thread? (Much gets repeated on forums and new people join in.) I'm not your enemy, am I? Atavachron's just trying to pick a fight, he loves it dearly, man.

He may be trying to pick a fight but he has a point too. Albeit smarmy, the way I interpreted it (a a dual citizen American/Canadian living in the US) is that it is what the majority (literally) of the people in the US feel, and have felt for the past year. That is too say we do not want him as a President and ever since he first was elected we've been talking about how much damage he is doing.

A good place to take this conversation would be to talk about how bad the electoral college is and what we can do to fix it or get a new system. At the very least we need to get rid of this gerrymandering BS.


Edited by zachfive - January 24 2018 at 00:42

Hmmm.... curiouser and curiouser.

Thanks for all the details. I'll stay tuned--I have no choice....

Atavachron, thanks for the evenhanded response, and please feel free to steer this thread in any sort of highbrow, meaty, and productive direction you choose. (Seriously--that would be interesting.)

My title wasn't meant to be antagonistic to Americans, but just to catch attention and garner response.

I was genuinely curious as to how non-Americans perceive Trump. Since well before the election, my wife has CNN on here (I am sadly out of touch on Canadian news, so your proposed Trudeau and/or bacon and/or maple syrup and/or Rush thread might actual get me up to date on my own country) so I hear Americans talk about Trump every day.

No offence. I love much about America, I have cousins and friends there, some of the best people in the world have been or are Americans, and you guys (and your former slaves) invented all the best music.

This is a genuinely stressful time though, and not just for Americans. I understand the emotion.

Peace out.

Peter

Edited by Peter - January 23 2018 at 16:52

Barbu wrote: Atavachron's just trying to pick a fight, he loves it dearly, man.

No denying that (though in this case it's a bit more).

Peter wrote: Atavachron wrote: Really?  Donald Trump is bad?  Thank you for the insight and for raising a conversation that everyone's been having for a year already.  It's nice to read an original thought, one that brings something new to the table and opens the discussion up to new and productive ideas. Oy. Is that what we supposed to do here? Be productive? Productive of conversation and even community, perhaps? Or are we trying to change the world? I understand that politics is a dangerous, divisive subject (perhaps I was unwise to raise it), but I don't see any need to sarcastically belittle me--unless, of course, I have offended you personally. If so, please believe I did not mean to, and please accept my apologies. (Unless you are actually Donald Trump.) At a social gathering, I just don't join in conversations I have no interest in. Why not just ignore my thread? (Much gets repeated on forums and new people join in.) I'm not your enemy, am I?

Atavachron's just trying to pick a fight, he loves it dearly, man.